Mismatched Memory -- could this be my problem?

Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?

MEMORY SUMMARY
Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
Memory Slots 2
Error Correction None
DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)  

CAPACITY  
Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
Slot2 1024MB

MEMORY TYPE
Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
Slot2 DDR (PC3200)

SPEED
Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
Slot2 200 MHZ

SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
Slot2 166.7, 200.0

MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC) 
Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC) 

Should I replace one of the modules? 

Stan Hilliard
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Yes. Only use memory modules that the computer was originally designed to 
use.
"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message 
news:bcfpg5hvbuifgjgrgcmat1tekkvk974bpa@4ax.com...
> Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
> up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
> modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
> The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
> makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?
>
> MEMORY SUMMARY
> Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
> Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
> Memory Slots 2
> Error Correction None
> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
> Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
>
> CAPACITY
> Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 1024MB
>
> MEMORY TYPE
> Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 DDR (PC3200)
>
> SPEED
> Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 200 MHZ
>
> SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
> Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
> Slot2 166.7, 200.0
>
> MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
> Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>
> Should I replace one of the modules?
>
> Stan Hilliard 


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Unknown
11/25/2009 4:10:44 PM
its physically impossible to place DDR2 memory in a DDR slot.
I suspect your SIW utility is giving you the wrong information

try downloading and running CPU-Z
and then post back with what that utility tells you.
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

peter

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"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message 
news:bcfpg5hvbuifgjgrgcmat1tekkvk974bpa@4ax.com...
> Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
> up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
> modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
> The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
> makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?
>
> MEMORY SUMMARY
> Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
> Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
> Memory Slots 2
> Error Correction None
> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
> Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
>
> CAPACITY
> Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 1024MB
>
> MEMORY TYPE
> Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 DDR (PC3200)
>
> SPEED
> Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 200 MHZ
>
> SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
> Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
> Slot2 166.7, 200.0
>
> MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
> Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>
> Should I replace one of the modules?
>
> Stan Hilliard 

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peter
11/25/2009 4:45:15 PM
>> Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
>> up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
>> modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
>> The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
>> makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?
>>
>> MEMORY SUMMARY
>> Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
>> Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
>> Memory Slots 2
>> Error Correction None
>> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
>> Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
>>
>> CAPACITY
>> Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
>> Slot2 1024MB
>>
>> MEMORY TYPE
>> Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
>> Slot2 DDR (PC3200)
>>
>> SPEED
>> Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
>> Slot2 200 MHZ
>>
>> SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
>> Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
>> Slot2 166.7, 200.0
>>
>> MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
>> Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>> Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>> Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>> Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>> Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>
>> Should I replace one of the modules?
>>
>> Stan Hilliard 

>its physically impossible to place DDR2 memory in a DDR slot.
>I suspect your SIW utility is giving you the wrong information
>
>try downloading and running CPU-Z
>and then post back with what that utility tells you.
>http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
>peter

Thanks Peter,
I ran CPU-Z and here are some of the results:

ON THE MEMORY TAB ==============
Type DDR
Size 2048 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz
FSB:DRAM CPR/15
CAS# Latency (CL) 2.5 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 3 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 3 clocks
Cycle Time (tDAS) 7 clocks
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 10 clocks
Command Rate (CR) 1T
DRAM icle Timer 16 clocks

ON THE SPD TAB: =================
SLOT 1: Module Size: 1024 MBytes
SLOT 2: Module Size: 320 MBytes <--- ?

SLOT 1: Max Bandwidth PD3200 (200 MHz)
SLOT 2: Max Bandwidth N/A <--- ?

SLOT 1: Manufacturer: N/A
SLOT 2: Manufacturer: Nanya Technology

SLOT 1: Part Number 16VDDT6464AG-3
SLOT 2: Part Number M2UUG64DD8HB1G-5T

SLOT 1: Serial number FF24BAA0
SLOT 2: Serial number 456E0203

TIMINGS TABLE: (JEDEC#1, JEDEC#2, JEDEC#3)

SLOT 1: frequency 133 MHz, 166 MHz, 200 MHz
SLOT 2: frequency 166 MHz, 0 MHz <--- ?

SLOT 1: CAS# Latency 2.0, 2.5, 3.0
SLOT 2: CAS# Latency 2.5, 3.0

SLOT 1: RAS# to CAS# 2, 3, 3
SLOT 2: RAS# to CAS# 3, 1

SLOT 1: RAS# Precharge 2, 3, 3
SLOT 2: RAS# Precharge 3, 1

SLOT 1: tRAS 6, 7, 8
SLOT 2: tRAS 7, 1

SLOT 1: Voltage 2.5v, 2.5v, 2.5v
SLOT 2: Voltage 2.5v, 2.5v, 2.5v

Those are the results of analysis by CPU-Z . I note that with SIW it
looked to me like the problem was with the module in slot 1, while
with CPU-Z it looks like the problem is in slot 2.

Stan Hilliard
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Stan
11/25/2009 6:52:28 PM
Stan Hilliard wrote:
>>> Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
>>> up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
>>> modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
>>> The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
>>> makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?
>>>
>>> MEMORY SUMMARY
>>> Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
>>> Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
>>> Memory Slots 2
>>> Error Correction None
>>> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
>>> Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
>>>
>>> CAPACITY
>>> Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
>>> Slot2 1024MB
>>>
>>> MEMORY TYPE
>>> Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
>>> Slot2 DDR (PC3200)
>>>
>>> SPEED
>>> Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
>>> Slot2 200 MHZ
>>>
>>> SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
>>> Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
>>> Slot2 166.7, 200.0
>>>
>>> MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
>>> Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>> Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>> Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>> Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>> Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>>
>>> Should I replace one of the modules?
>>>
>>> Stan Hilliard 
> 
>> its physically impossible to place DDR2 memory in a DDR slot.
>> I suspect your SIW utility is giving you the wrong information
>>
>> try downloading and running CPU-Z
>> and then post back with what that utility tells you.
>> http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
>> peter
> 
> Thanks Peter,
> I ran CPU-Z and here are some of the results:
> 
> ON THE MEMORY TAB ==============
> Type DDR
> Size 2048 MBytes
> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz
> FSB:DRAM CPR/15
> CAS# Latency (CL) 2.5 clocks
> RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 3 clocks
> RAS# Precharge (tRP) 3 clocks
> Cycle Time (tDAS) 7 clocks
> Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 10 clocks
> Command Rate (CR) 1T
> DRAM icle Timer 16 clocks
> 
> ON THE SPD TAB: =================
> SLOT 1: Module Size: 1024 MBytes
> SLOT 2: Module Size: 320 MBytes <--- ?
> 
> SLOT 1: Max Bandwidth PD3200 (200 MHz)
> SLOT 2: Max Bandwidth N/A <--- ?
> 
> SLOT 1: Manufacturer: N/A
> SLOT 2: Manufacturer: Nanya Technology
> 
> SLOT 1: Part Number 16VDDT6464AG-3
> SLOT 2: Part Number M2UUG64DD8HB1G-5T
> 
> SLOT 1: Serial number FF24BAA0
> SLOT 2: Serial number 456E0203
> 
> TIMINGS TABLE: (JEDEC#1, JEDEC#2, JEDEC#3)
> 
> SLOT 1: frequency 133 MHz, 166 MHz, 200 MHz
> SLOT 2: frequency 166 MHz, 0 MHz <--- ?
> 
> SLOT 1: CAS# Latency 2.0, 2.5, 3.0
> SLOT 2: CAS# Latency 2.5, 3.0
> 
> SLOT 1: RAS# to CAS# 2, 3, 3
> SLOT 2: RAS# to CAS# 3, 1
> 
> SLOT 1: RAS# Precharge 2, 3, 3
> SLOT 2: RAS# Precharge 3, 1
> 
> SLOT 1: tRAS 6, 7, 8
> SLOT 2: tRAS 7, 1
> 
> SLOT 1: Voltage 2.5v, 2.5v, 2.5v
> SLOT 2: Voltage 2.5v, 2.5v, 2.5v
> 
> Those are the results of analysis by CPU-Z . I note that with SIW it
> looked to me like the problem was with the module in slot 1, while
> with CPU-Z it looks like the problem is in slot 2.
> 
> Stan Hilliard

I have a question for you. Are you running any utilities
right now, which are accessing the SMBUS ? That could be
something like Speedfan, MBM5, or even a utility provided
by Abit (something monitoring voltages, temps, fan speed).

The SMBUS is not protected by a semaphore, and
simultaneous access can cause data corruption on the bus.
Apparently, there wasn't enough interest in fixing this,
and with no semaphore (so one program has exclusive access
for a short period at a time), one program can stomp on
another program's attempted access.

More modern hardware monitors are now connected to the LPC
bus. On older hardware, the hardware monitor is on SMBUS,
and shares the bus with the DIMM SPD chips. A program accessing
the SPD, at the same time as another program accesses the hardware
monitor, is what leads to corruption.

This is how an older motherboard does it.

SMBUS ------+--------+---------+------
             |        |         |
           DIMM1    DIMM2    Hardware
                             Monitor
                             Volts Temp Fans
                               |     |    |

Newer ones are like this. The hardware monitor program
no longer upsets SMBUS activity, so SIW or CPUZ would get
a non-corrupted answer.

SMBUS ------+--------+
             |        |
           DIMM1    DIMM2

LPC   ------+
             |
          Hardware
          Monitor
          Volts Temp Fans
            |     |    |

HTH,
    Paul
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Paul
11/25/2009 8:11:08 PM
Yes it is much better to use matched memory modules, as you've
discovered the reason why you shouldn't.


On 11/24/2009 11:22 PM, Stan Hilliard wrote:
> Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
> up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
> modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
> The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
> makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?
> 
> MEMORY SUMMARY
> Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
> Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
> Memory Slots 2
> Error Correction None
> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
> Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)  
> 
> CAPACITY  
> Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 1024MB
> 
> MEMORY TYPE
> Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 DDR (PC3200)
> 
> SPEED
> Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 200 MHZ
> 
> SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
> Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
> Slot2 166.7, 200.0
> 
> MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
> Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC) 
> Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC) 
> 
> Should I replace one of the modules? 
> 
> Stan Hilliard

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Roy
11/25/2009 9:01:47 PM
On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:11:08 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:

>Stan Hilliard wrote:
>>>> Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
>>>> up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
>>>> modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
>>>> The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
>>>> makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?
>>>>
>>>> MEMORY SUMMARY
>>>> Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
>>>> Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
>>>> Memory Slots 2
>>>> Error Correction None
>>>> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
>>>> Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
>>>>
>>>> CAPACITY
>>>> Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
>>>> Slot2 1024MB
>>>>
>>>> MEMORY TYPE
>>>> Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
>>>> Slot2 DDR (PC3200)
>>>>
>>>> SPEED
>>>> Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
>>>> Slot2 200 MHZ
>>>>
>>>> SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
>>>> Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
>>>> Slot2 166.7, 200.0
>>>>
>>>> MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
>>>> Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>>> Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>>> Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>>> Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>>> Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>>>>
>>>> Should I replace one of the modules?
>>>>
>>>> Stan Hilliard 
>> 
>>> its physically impossible to place DDR2 memory in a DDR slot.
>>> I suspect your SIW utility is giving you the wrong information
>>>
>>> try downloading and running CPU-Z
>>> and then post back with what that utility tells you.
>>> http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
>>> peter
>> 
>> Thanks Peter,
>> I ran CPU-Z and here are some of the results:
>> 
>> ON THE MEMORY TAB ==============
>> Type DDR
>> Size 2048 MBytes
>> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz
>> FSB:DRAM CPR/15
>> CAS# Latency (CL) 2.5 clocks
>> RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 3 clocks
>> RAS# Precharge (tRP) 3 clocks
>> Cycle Time (tDAS) 7 clocks
>> Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 10 clocks
>> Command Rate (CR) 1T
>> DRAM icle Timer 16 clocks
>> 
>> ON THE SPD TAB: =================
>> SLOT 1: Module Size: 1024 MBytes
>> SLOT 2: Module Size: 320 MBytes <--- ?
>> 
>> SLOT 1: Max Bandwidth PD3200 (200 MHz)
>> SLOT 2: Max Bandwidth N/A <--- ?
>> 
>> SLOT 1: Manufacturer: N/A
>> SLOT 2: Manufacturer: Nanya Technology
>> 
>> SLOT 1: Part Number 16VDDT6464AG-3
>> SLOT 2: Part Number M2UUG64DD8HB1G-5T
>> 
>> SLOT 1: Serial number FF24BAA0
>> SLOT 2: Serial number 456E0203
>> 
>> TIMINGS TABLE: (JEDEC#1, JEDEC#2, JEDEC#3)
>> 
>> SLOT 1: frequency 133 MHz, 166 MHz, 200 MHz
>> SLOT 2: frequency 166 MHz, 0 MHz <--- ?
>> 
>> SLOT 1: CAS# Latency 2.0, 2.5, 3.0
>> SLOT 2: CAS# Latency 2.5, 3.0
>> 
>> SLOT 1: RAS# to CAS# 2, 3, 3
>> SLOT 2: RAS# to CAS# 3, 1
>> 
>> SLOT 1: RAS# Precharge 2, 3, 3
>> SLOT 2: RAS# Precharge 3, 1
>> 
>> SLOT 1: tRAS 6, 7, 8
>> SLOT 2: tRAS 7, 1
>> 
>> SLOT 1: Voltage 2.5v, 2.5v, 2.5v
>> SLOT 2: Voltage 2.5v, 2.5v, 2.5v
>> 
>> Those are the results of analysis by CPU-Z . I note that with SIW it
>> looked to me like the problem was with the module in slot 1, while
>> with CPU-Z it looks like the problem is in slot 2.
>> 
>> Stan Hilliard
>
>I have a question for you. Are you running any utilities
>right now, which are accessing the SMBUS ? That could be
>something like Speedfan, MBM5, or even a utility provided
>by Abit (something monitoring voltages, temps, fan speed).

The utility "Cool'n'Quiet" came with the ABIT motherboard or with the
AMD Athlon 64 processor. It might be running. How can I verify that or
make sure it doesn't run?

>The SMBUS is not protected by a semaphore, and
>simultaneous access can cause data corruption on the bus.
>Apparently, there wasn't enough interest in fixing this,
>and with no semaphore (so one program has exclusive access
>for a short period at a time), one program can stomp on
>another program's attempted access.
>
>More modern hardware monitors are now connected to the LPC
>bus. On older hardware, the hardware monitor is on SMBUS,
>and shares the bus with the DIMM SPD chips. A program accessing
>the SPD, at the same time as another program accesses the hardware
>monitor, is what leads to corruption.
>
>This is how an older motherboard does it.
>
>SMBUS ------+--------+---------+------
>             |        |         |
>           DIMM1    DIMM2    Hardware
>                             Monitor
>                             Volts Temp Fans
>                               |     |    |
>
>Newer ones are like this. The hardware monitor program
>no longer upsets SMBUS activity, so SIW or CPUZ would get
>a non-corrupted answer.
>
>SMBUS ------+--------+
>             |        |
>           DIMM1    DIMM2
>
>LPC   ------+
>             |
>          Hardware
>          Monitor
>          Volts Temp Fans
>            |     |    |
>
>HTH,
>    Paul

Perhaps I should upgrade the motherboard? Is there a motherboard that
would be a large improvement but would be a simple replacement for
the KU8?  

If I were to switch motherboards, what matching changes to the
configuration would I have to make also? 

The current configuration involves C: as RAID 0 cabled SATA to the
motherboard. A PPA 1301 PCI card supplies two additional SATA ports. 

And the graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500. 

I could go $300 - $600. 

Am I thinking reasonably? 

Advice would be appreciated,
Stan Hilliard
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Stan
11/27/2009 4:41:26 PM
Stan Hilliard wrote:
<<snip>>

> The utility "Cool'n'Quiet" came with the ABIT motherboard or with the
> AMD Athlon 64 processor. It might be running. How can I verify that or
> make sure it doesn't run?

Cool N' Quiet controls the FID and VID (core clock multiplier and
Vcore voltage setting). When the processor is unloaded, the core clock
drops in speed, and the Vcore regulator puts out a lower value of voltage
in steps. It is a way of enhancing the characteristics of the processor at
idle. As soon as a load appears on the CPU, the settings can be cranked
up to nominal again. That would not involve SMBUS or LPC.

<<snip>>

> 
> Perhaps I should upgrade the motherboard? Is there a motherboard that
> would be a large improvement but would be a simple replacement for
> the KU8?  
> 
> If I were to switch motherboards, what matching changes to the
> configuration would I have to make also? 
> 
> The current configuration involves C: as RAID 0 cabled SATA to the
> motherboard. A PPA 1301 PCI card supplies two additional SATA ports. 
> 
> And the graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500. 
> 
> I could go $300 - $600. 
> 
> Am I thinking reasonably? 
> 
> Advice would be appreciated,
> Stan Hilliard

It would be difficult to find an S754 motherboard now. I don't
see one on Newegg, and they had a couple very cheap motherboards
for a while after shipments of S754 processors ended.

You could get

1) New AMD processor $99, socket type AM2/AM2+/AM3
2) New motherboard <$100
    If it has built-in graphics, there is no need to replace
    your video card right away.
3) New RAM. The S754 uses DDR, while newer motherboards use
    DDR2 or DDR3.
4) You could probably match or exceed the FX5500 level of
    performance for <$100.

Modern AMD motherboards don't have AGP slots. They use PCI
Express for adding a video card. Or, if your FX5500 was a PCI
based card, there might still be a PCI slot on the new motherboard.

Transitioning a RAID pair from a ULI Southbridge to something else,
may not work too well. There aren't really any standards for RAID,
and only "accidental interactions", where a company not wishing to
invent its own, uses the services of an existing industry player,
to implement the RAID. At the very least, I'd expect to have to
back up the existing RAID pair, move the disks to the new motherboard,
then restore the data to the pair of disks. Next, a Repair Install
of Windows, pressing F6 early in the process, allows installing a new
driver for the new RAID interface. So the transition can be done,
but it might require a disk you can use for a backup, as part of
the process.

I selected a board here, which supports some version of the
three processor types "AM3/AM2+/AM2" and also mentions DDR2
memory. My objective in using DDR2, is to save a few bucks.

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI MicroATX $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394

Three video connectors. Only one PS/2 connector. Only one PATA connector.
Comes with a floppy connector.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-128-394-S02?$S640W$

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-128-394-S03?$S640W$

Having selected a motherboard with the desired RAM type, next comes
the CPUSupport table. This is how you select a matching processor.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ProductID=3141#anchor_os

I picked a dual core with a large cache. If you want something
that sucks down the power, there are more power hungry processors.
These don't draw 80W all the time - only when they're flat out.

AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Callisto 3.1GHz 2x512KB L2, 6MB L3, AM3 80W Dual-Core $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680

Memory support list. If four sticks are used, max memory speed is limited.
A two stick config might allow a faster choice.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/MemorySupport/mb_memory_ga-ma785gm-us2h.pdf

2 x $27 for these DDR2 modules. 2x1GB, for dual channel mode if you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231143

80 + 99 + 54 = $233

If you want a video card, a 9600 GT is available for $80.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150397

Or, you can use the Tomshardware charts, and shop around. There
are video charts and CPU charts.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts

The FX5500 is compared to the 9600 GT, to give some hardware numbers.
You can compare your older card, to a new one, and figure out how
much money is needed to match specs.

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=158&card2=557

Once you've settled on some choices, post back your
hardware list, plus what is written on the side of your
PSU, and I can give you a power estimate. Xbitlabs has
some measured values for video cards, and they haven't
measured all the cards. The power number on GPUReview
is more of a manufacturer estimate, which could be on
the high side.

If you have a picture of the label on the supply, that is
faster than writing all the numbers down. Each number on
here has some meaning. If you can find a picture of the
label, that will save some typing.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-139-004-S10?$S640W$

So for $313, I could do a new set of hardware. The motherboard
is a microATX, and perhaps you'd prefer a full sized motherboard.
In which case, go through the process again, to pick out a board.

Your current power supply may have a 2x2 power connector. The
motherboard above has a 2x4, and a 2x2 fits in it and will power
the 80W processor just fine. You don't absolutely need a 2x4.
If the video card has a PCI Express auxiliary power connector,
you may need an adapter for that. I don't see a power connector
on that sample 9600GT. There is room for one, but they didn't install it.

A 9600GT draws about 60 watts.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-bliss9600gt-512gs_7.html#sect0

You can see in the details graphic here, that normally "+12V EX 1"
provides power, which implies a normal 9600 GT card would use a
2x3 PCI Express power connector. If the sample video card I picked
draws the entire 60W through the PCI Express bus connector, that
isn't the best way to do it. But it may make the card design
cheaper to make, which is why they did it that way. I'd prefer
a separate connector myself.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/gainward-bliss9600gt-512gs/9600gt_power_full.gif

In this slightly more expensive card, a separate connector is used
to supply power. Some power flows through the slot, and the balance
of the power needs come through the 2x3 connector.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/14-125-272-S01?$S640W$

In this image, you can see the card with the 2x3, bundles a
"dual Molex to 2x3" adapter, for use with older power supplies
not having a 2x3 connector.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/14-125-272-S06?$S640W$

Shopping for this stuff is loads of fun, especially if you have
customer reviews with comments on how good the stuff is.

    Paul
0
Paul
11/28/2009 12:05:15 AM
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:05:15 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:

>Stan Hilliard wrote:
><<snip>>
>
>> The utility "Cool'n'Quiet" came with the ABIT motherboard or with the
>> AMD Athlon 64 processor. It might be running. How can I verify that or
>> make sure it doesn't run?
>
>Cool N' Quiet controls the FID and VID (core clock multiplier and
>Vcore voltage setting). When the processor is unloaded, the core clock
>drops in speed, and the Vcore regulator puts out a lower value of voltage
>in steps. It is a way of enhancing the characteristics of the processor at
>idle. As soon as a load appears on the CPU, the settings can be cranked
>up to nominal again. That would not involve SMBUS or LPC.
>
><<snip>>
>
>> 
>> Perhaps I should upgrade the motherboard? Is there a motherboard that
>> would be a large improvement but would be a simple replacement for
>> the KU8?  
>> 
>> If I were to switch motherboards, what matching changes to the
>> configuration would I have to make also? 
>> 
>> The current configuration involves C: as RAID 0 cabled SATA to the
>> motherboard. A PPA 1301 PCI card supplies two additional SATA ports. 
>> 
>> And the graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500. 
>> 
>> I could go $300 - $600. 
>> 
>> Am I thinking reasonably? 
>> 
>> Advice would be appreciated,
>> Stan Hilliard
>
>It would be difficult to find an S754 motherboard now. I don't
>see one on Newegg, and they had a couple very cheap motherboards
>for a while after shipments of S754 processors ended.
>
>You could get
>
>1) New AMD processor $99, socket type AM2/AM2+/AM3
>2) New motherboard <$100
>    If it has built-in graphics, there is no need to replace
>    your video card right away.
>3) New RAM. The S754 uses DDR, while newer motherboards use
>    DDR2 or DDR3.
>4) You could probably match or exceed the FX5500 level of
>    performance for <$100.
>
>Modern AMD motherboards don't have AGP slots. They use PCI
>Express for adding a video card. Or, if your FX5500 was a PCI
>based card, there might still be a PCI slot on the new motherboard.
>
>Transitioning a RAID pair from a ULI Southbridge to something else,
>may not work too well. There aren't really any standards for RAID,
>and only "accidental interactions", where a company not wishing to
>invent its own, uses the services of an existing industry player,
>to implement the RAID. At the very least, I'd expect to have to
>back up the existing RAID pair, move the disks to the new motherboard,
>then restore the data to the pair of disks. Next, a Repair Install
>of Windows, pressing F6 early in the process, allows installing a new
>driver for the new RAID interface. So the transition can be done,
>but it might require a disk you can use for a backup, as part of
>the process.
>
>I selected a board here, which supports some version of the
>three processor types "AM3/AM2+/AM2" and also mentions DDR2
>memory. My objective in using DDR2, is to save a few bucks.
>
>GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI MicroATX $80
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394
>
>Three video connectors. Only one PS/2 connector. Only one PATA connector.
>Comes with a floppy connector.
>
>http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-128-394-S02?$S640W$
>
>http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-128-394-S03?$S640W$
>
>Having selected a motherboard with the desired RAM type, next comes
>the CPUSupport table. This is how you select a matching processor.
>
>http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ProductID=3141#anchor_os
>
>I picked a dual core with a large cache. If you want something
>that sucks down the power, there are more power hungry processors.
>These don't draw 80W all the time - only when they're flat out.
>
>AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Callisto 3.1GHz 2x512KB L2, 6MB L3, AM3 80W Dual-Core $99
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103680
>
>Memory support list. If four sticks are used, max memory speed is limited.
>A two stick config might allow a faster choice.
>
>http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/MemorySupport/mb_memory_ga-ma785gm-us2h.pdf
>
>2 x $27 for these DDR2 modules. 2x1GB, for dual channel mode if you want.
>
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231143
>
>80 + 99 + 54 = $233
>
>If you want a video card, a 9600 GT is available for $80.
>
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150397
>
>Or, you can use the Tomshardware charts, and shop around. There
>are video charts and CPU charts.
>
>http://www.tomshardware.com/charts
>
>The FX5500 is compared to the 9600 GT, to give some hardware numbers.
>You can compare your older card, to a new one, and figure out how
>much money is needed to match specs.
>
>http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=158&card2=557
>
>Once you've settled on some choices, post back your
>hardware list, plus what is written on the side of your
>PSU, and I can give you a power estimate. Xbitlabs has
>some measured values for video cards, and they haven't
>measured all the cards. The power number on GPUReview
>is more of a manufacturer estimate, which could be on
>the high side.
>
>If you have a picture of the label on the supply, that is
>faster than writing all the numbers down. Each number on
>here has some meaning. If you can find a picture of the
>label, that will save some typing.
>
>http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-139-004-S10?$S640W$
>
>So for $313, I could do a new set of hardware. The motherboard
>is a microATX, and perhaps you'd prefer a full sized motherboard.
>In which case, go through the process again, to pick out a board.
>
>Your current power supply may have a 2x2 power connector. The
>motherboard above has a 2x4, and a 2x2 fits in it and will power
>the 80W processor just fine. You don't absolutely need a 2x4.
>If the video card has a PCI Express auxiliary power connector,
>you may need an adapter for that. I don't see a power connector
>on that sample 9600GT. There is room for one, but they didn't install it.
>
>A 9600GT draws about 60 watts.
>
>http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gainward-bliss9600gt-512gs_7.html#sect0
>
>You can see in the details graphic here, that normally "+12V EX 1"
>provides power, which implies a normal 9600 GT card would use a
>2x3 PCI Express power connector. If the sample video card I picked
>draws the entire 60W through the PCI Express bus connector, that
>isn't the best way to do it. But it may make the card design
>cheaper to make, which is why they did it that way. I'd prefer
>a separate connector myself.
>
>http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/gainward-bliss9600gt-512gs/9600gt_power_full.gif
>
>In this slightly more expensive card, a separate connector is used
>to supply power. Some power flows through the slot, and the balance
>of the power needs come through the 2x3 connector.
>
>http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/14-125-272-S01?$S640W$
>
>In this image, you can see the card with the 2x3, bundles a
>"dual Molex to 2x3" adapter, for use with older power supplies
>not having a 2x3 connector.
>
>http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/14-125-272-S06?$S640W$
>
>Shopping for this stuff is loads of fun, especially if you have
>customer reviews with comments on how good the stuff is.
>
>    Paul

Thanks Paul,

I will study this.

Stan Hilliard
0
Stan
11/28/2009 10:42:19 PM
"Stan Hilliard" <usenetreplyMS@samplingplansNOTSPAM.com> wrote in message 
news:bcfpg5hvbuifgjgrgcmat1tekkvk974bpa@4ax.com...
> Could mismatched memory modules be the reason why my computer freezes
> up with some programs? The SIW utility tells me that my two memory
> modules don't seem to be matched. One is DDR and the other is DDR2.
> The specs for my ABIT KU8 motherboard call for DDR, not DDR2, if that
> makes a difference. Here is what the ISW utility shows?
>
> MEMORY SUMMARY
> Maximum Capacity 1024 MBytes
> Maximum Memory Module Size 4096
> Memory Slots 2
> Error Correction None
> DRAM Frequency 163.6 MHz <--- should be 200.07?
> Memory Timings 3-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
>
> CAPACITY
> Slot1 1536MB <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 1024MB
>
> MEMORY TYPE
> Slot1 DDR2 (PC3200) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 DDR (PC3200)
>
> SPEED
> Slot1 200 MHz (DDR2 400) <--- wrong for KU8?
> Slot2 200 MHZ
>
> SUPPORTED FREQUENCIES MHz
> Slot1 133.3, 166.7, 200.0
> Slot2 166.7, 200.0
>
> MEMORY TIMINGS (neither module seems to match the memory summary)
> Slot1 2-2-2-6-8 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 3-3-3-7-10 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot1 4-3-3-8-11 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot2 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
> Slot2 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
>
> Should I replace one of the modules?
>
> Stan Hilliard


If your mobo can't run DDR2 memory then it can't run it so it's no use 
trying to install DDR2 memory.
I'm sure you can run diff amounts of RAM but must be the same brand and 
speeds. I've seen peoples using 1GB RAM plus a 512MB RAM sticks totaling 
1.5GB and they were the same brand and speeds. Not sure if it's wise mixing 
diff brands of RAM together though!!.....


God Bless... :-) 

0
Parrott
12/5/2009 3:32:18 AM
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Initialy there was an error ASP 0115 Errors in IIS This what I 've done ; Click Start, point to Programs, click Windows NT 4.0 Option Pack, click Microsoft Internet Information Server, and then click Internet Service Manager. Expand Internet Information Server. Right-click the computer name, and then click Properties. In the Master Properties drop-down list box, click WWW Service, and then click Edit. Click the Home Directory tab, and then click Configuration. On the Process Options tab, click to clear the Enable Debug Exception Catching check box. Click OK to close the Application C...

HLOOKUP problem...
I'm having a problem getting HLOOKUP to work where my data is on another sheet and the table array comes before the lookup value. For instance, on sheet2 I have a list of names in column G and money amounts in column F. So on sheet1 I coded: =HLOOKUP(Sheet2!"Bob Smith",F12:F20,1,FALSE). I Want to get the money amount from column F that corresponds with Bob Smith in Column G but it's not working. I'd appreciate any assistance. Thanks. silas Try this: A1 = Bob Smith =INDEX(Sheet2!F$12:F$20,MATCH(A1,Sheet2!G$12:G$20,0)) Or, if you want to hardcode it into the f...

New user/GAL problem
Hi- We are running a new installation of Exchange 2003 SP1 on Windows Server 2003 SP1. All of our users were successfully setup to use Outlook 2003 (running in cached mode). Now we haved added a new user, but when I went to add them using ADU&C (on exchange server) the user was added but the mailbox and email account was not created. Checked RUS and added a local domain as there was only an Enterprise one listed (per other posts here). Updated the RUS. This added the user mailbox and generated email address. However, I cannot setup user to access mailbox through Outlook as th...

bank transfer problem
I have two checkbooks: the first one has a currency ID of USD [us dollars] and the second one has a currency of HKD [Hong Kong dollars] when I do a transfer - the final transaction has a CM Trx Type as 'Interest Income'...why is that? What version of GP, what build number (service pack)? I have tried to reproduce this issue on v10 SP4 and always end up with a CMTrxType of 7 for a CMXFR audit trail. To verify your transaction run the following SQL Statement against your company database: SELECT * FROM CM20100 WHERE CMTrxNum = 'yourTransferNumberHere' Best r...