How to backup exchange data folder ?

I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
services.

Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every now 
and then ?

I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.



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msamani (10)
12/5/2006 7:30:19 PM
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A good backup?  The best thing to do is backup the system state, etc, plus 
the actual Exchange information stores via an online Exchange 'aware' backup 
(either Windows Backup on the actual Exchange server itself or something 
like Backup Exec with the Exchange agent).  No need to take stores offline 
to backup, etc.

-- 
Neil Hobson
Exchange MVP
http://www.msexchange.org/Neil_Hobson/
http://www.msexchangeblog.com


"Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
> services.
>
> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
> now and then ?
>
> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>
>
> 


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neil.hobson (1158)
12/5/2006 7:29:40 PM
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:30:19 -0800, "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
>public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
>services.
>
>Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every now 
>and then ?
>
>I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>
>


Online backups are really all you need. Why the requirement for an
offline backup?
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adavid (8731)
12/5/2006 7:31:00 PM
you don't want to do that...you want "online" backups...see this for 
everything you need to know:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/867704/en-us

-- 
Susan Conkey [MVP]



"Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
> services.
>
> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
> now and then ?
>
> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>
>
> 


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sconkey (3059)
12/5/2006 7:32:05 PM
Hi,

It is certainly possible to stop the exchange information store and take an 
offline backup of the databases but the recommended backup method is to take 
a online backup of the Microsoft Information Store using an exchange aware 
backup program (such as ntbackup). This will purge the transaction logs and 
makes it easier to recover.

Leif

"Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
> services.
>
> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
> now and then ?
>
> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>
>
> 


0
12/5/2006 7:33:14 PM
Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you how to 
do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you don't want to 
do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of reasons for asking 
for this.

I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You would 
want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - especially if 
this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup or another product 
like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your IS and System State. 
Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells 
should be ringing.

How to...

Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange Anti 
Virus etc.

In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to something 
like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working hours!
net stop MSExchangeES /y
net stop MSExchangeIS /y
net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
net stop MSExchangeSA /y
net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y

The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to stop 
them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of research to 
find the exact service names you may need.

Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch files 
work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts them all 
again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in the middle, 
something like...

xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need to 
change paths and drive letters to suite)

Neal

ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!



"Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
> services.
>
> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
> now and then ?
>
> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>
>
> 


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neal7833 (68)
12/5/2006 8:59:48 PM
Neal:

Thanks.  That's what I wanted.


"Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
news:OdY5NBLGHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you how 
> to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you don't want 
> to do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of reasons for 
> asking for this.
>
> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You 
> would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - 
> especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup or 
> another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your IS 
> and System State. Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files (E00?????.log) 
> If so, alarm bells should be ringing.
>
> How to...
>
> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange 
> Anti Virus etc.
>
> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working 
> hours!
> net stop MSExchangeES /y
> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>
> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to 
> stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of 
> research to find the exact service names you may need.
>
> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
> start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch 
> files work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts them 
> all again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in the 
> middle, something like...
>
> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need 
> to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>
> Neal
>
> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>
>
>
> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
>> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
>> services.
>>
>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
>> now and then ?
>>
>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>
>>
>>
>
> 


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msamani (10)
12/5/2006 10:37:07 PM
"Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
"Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".

Neal wrote:
> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you how to 
> do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you don't want to 
> do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of reasons for asking 
> for this.
>
> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You would 
> want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - especially if 
> this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup or another product 
> like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your IS and System State. 
> Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells 
> should be ringing.
>
> How to...
>
> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange Anti 
> Virus etc.
>
> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to something 
> like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working hours!
> net stop MSExchangeES /y
> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>
> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to stop 
> them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of research to 
> find the exact service names you may need.
>
> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
> start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch files 
> work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts them all 
> again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in the middle, 
> something like...
>
> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need to 
> change paths and drive letters to suite)
>
> Neal
>
> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>
>
>
> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>   
>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
>> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
>> services.
>>
>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
>> now and then ?
>>
>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>
>>
>>     

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kpalagin (1838)
12/6/2006 5:34:32 AM
Care to tell us the reason to ignore advice of experienced admins and 
common sense?

Mehbs wrote:
> Neal:
>
> Thanks.  That's what I wanted.
>
>
> "Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
> news:OdY5NBLGHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>   
>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you how 
>> to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you don't want 
>> to do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of reasons for 
>> asking for this.
>>
>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You 
>> would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - 
>> especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup or 
>> another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your IS 
>> and System State. Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files (E00?????.log) 
>> If so, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>
>> How to...
>>
>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
>> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange 
>> Anti Virus etc.
>>
>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working 
>> hours!
>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>
>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to 
>> stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of 
>> research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>
>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
>> start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch 
>> files work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts them 
>> all again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in the 
>> middle, something like...
>>
>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need 
>> to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>
>> Neal
>>
>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
>> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>     
>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
>>> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
>>> services.
>>>
>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
>>> now and then ?
>>>
>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>>
>>>       
-- 

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kpalagin (1838)
12/6/2006 5:37:16 AM
Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.

People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their reasons why 
they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to tell them how to do 
what they have asked.

Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our responsibility to 
make sure we do sometimes say to people that what they are asking seems to 
be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is not right to jump to the 
conclusion that because someone wants to do a task that we normally wouldn't 
do, they are incorrect and the information they are asking for is withheld.

Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a remote 
hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup Exec.  I 
was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week (that gets 
FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this group how to do an offline backup, 
I would be very frustrated if four people all ignored my question and simply 
said "that's not how you do backups".  Yes you can still argue that a normal 
online backup could just as well be used instead of the offline one, but 
that is the direction from above.

Regards, Neal



"Kirill Palagin" <kpalagin@no.phxint.mail.ru> wrote in message 
news:%237DxldPGHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
> "Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".
>
> Neal wrote:
>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you how 
>> to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you don't 
>> want to do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of reasons 
>> for asking for this.
>>
>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You 
>> would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - 
>> especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup or 
>> another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your IS 
>> and System State. Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files 
>> (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>
>> How to...
>>
>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
>> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange 
>> Anti Virus etc.
>>
>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working 
>> hours!
>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>
>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to 
>> stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of 
>> research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>
>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
>> start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch 
>> files work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts 
>> them all again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in 
>> the middle, something like...
>>
>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need 
>> to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>
>> Neal
>>
>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
>> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy 
>>> exchange public and private folder and other required data files and 
>>> restart the services.
>>>
>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
>>> now and then ?
>>>
>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> -- 
> If my message is helpful, please help me by registering at 
> www.openoffice.org and voting for the following issues:
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> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
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> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64785
>
> Thank you very much! 


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neal7833 (68)
12/6/2006 9:11:03 AM
I understand totally what you are saying.  In my case, I typically respond 
with the 'best practice' way of doing things because history has taught me 
that the poster isn't always aware of the issues and consequences of what 
they are about to do.  If they respond back to my post persisting with the 
original request, then that can be answered once they've got a better 
understanding of the fact that what they're trying to do isn't necessarily 
the best thing.

You say "it is our responsibility to make sure we do sometimes say to people 
that what they are asking seems to be 'wrong' and steer them away".  So when 
is "sometimes"?  And why wasn't this particular example one of those 
"sometimes"?  I'm just interested, that's all, since backup is important and 
I've read enough posts here stating "we have no backup", etc.  ;-)

-- 
Neil Hobson
Exchange MVP
http://www.msexchange.org/Neil_Hobson/
http://www.msexchangeblog.com


"Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
news:ufDL4ZRGHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.
>
> People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their reasons why 
> they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to tell them how to do 
> what they have asked.
>
> Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
> experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our responsibility to 
> make sure we do sometimes say to people that what they are asking seems to 
> be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is not right to jump to the 
> conclusion that because someone wants to do a task that we normally 
> wouldn't do, they are incorrect and the information they are asking for is 
> withheld.
>
> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a 
> remote hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup 
> Exec.  I was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week 
> (that gets FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this group how to do an 
> offline backup, I would be very frustrated if four people all ignored my 
> question and simply said "that's not how you do backups".  Yes you can 
> still argue that a normal online backup could just as well be used instead 
> of the offline one, but that is the direction from above.
>
> Regards, Neal
>
>
>
> "Kirill Palagin" <kpalagin@no.phxint.mail.ru> wrote in message 
> news:%237DxldPGHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
>> "Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".
>>
>> Neal wrote:
>>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you 
>>> how to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you 
>>> don't want to do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of 
>>> reasons for asking for this.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You 
>>> would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - 
>>> especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup 
>>> or another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your 
>>> IS and System State. Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files 
>>> (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>>
>>> How to...
>>>
>>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
>>> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange 
>>> Anti Virus etc.
>>>
>>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working 
>>> hours!
>>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>>
>>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to 
>>> stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of 
>>> research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>>
>>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
>>> start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch 
>>> files work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts 
>>> them all again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in 
>>> the middle, something like...
>>>
>>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need 
>>> to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>>
>>> Neal
>>>
>>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
>>> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy 
>>>> exchange public and private folder and other required data files and 
>>>> restart the services.
>>>>
>>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
>>>> now and then ?
>>>>
>>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> If my message is helpful, please help me by registering at 
>> www.openoffice.org and voting for the following issues:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70753
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15220
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10931
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=32785
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1035
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67838
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=39527
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64785
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>
> 


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neil.hobson (1158)
12/6/2006 9:22:20 AM
Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a remote
hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup Exec.  I
was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week (that gets
FTP'd offsite).

I don't buy that example. A better solution would be to use ntbackup. Backup 
using Copy method (so you don't interfere with log file sequences).
Then you ftp your bkf file to a remote location.

/Simon

"Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
news:ufDL4ZRGHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.
>
> People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their reasons why 
> they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to tell them how to do 
> what they have asked.
>
> Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
> experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our responsibility to 
> make sure we do sometimes say to people that what they are asking seems to 
> be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is not right to jump to the 
> conclusion that because someone wants to do a task that we normally 
> wouldn't do, they are incorrect and the information they are asking for is 
> withheld.
>
> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a 
> remote hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup 
> Exec.  I was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week 
> (that gets FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this group how to do an 
> offline backup, I would be very frustrated if four people all ignored my 
> question and simply said "that's not how you do backups".  Yes you can 
> still argue that a normal online backup could just as well be used instead 
> of the offline one, but that is the direction from above.
>
> Regards, Neal
>
>
>
> "Kirill Palagin" <kpalagin@no.phxint.mail.ru> wrote in message 
> news:%237DxldPGHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
>> "Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".
>>
>> Neal wrote:
>>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you 
>>> how to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you 
>>> don't want to do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of 
>>> reasons for asking for this.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You 
>>> would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - 
>>> especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup 
>>> or another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your 
>>> IS and System State. Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files 
>>> (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>>
>>> How to...
>>>
>>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
>>> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange 
>>> Anti Virus etc.
>>>
>>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working 
>>> hours!
>>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>>
>>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to 
>>> stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of 
>>> research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>>
>>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
>>> start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch 
>>> files work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts 
>>> them all again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in 
>>> the middle, something like...
>>>
>>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need 
>>> to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>>
>>> Neal
>>>
>>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
>>> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy 
>>>> exchange public and private folder and other required data files and 
>>>> restart the services.
>>>>
>>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
>>>> now and then ?
>>>>
>>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> If my message is helpful, please help me by registering at 
>> www.openoffice.org and voting for the following issues:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70753
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15220
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10931
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=32785
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1035
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67838
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=39527
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64785
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>
> 


0
12/6/2006 9:44:12 AM
I hope everyone does continue with best practice answers.

I guess this is in response to me using this group for years, and sometimes 
being thrilled with the prompt, detailed and accurate responses I recieve, 
and sometimes frustrated that no one will answer my question.

I agree with you that history has taught that the poster isn't always aware, 
but this particular post seemed quite specific.  The person knew enough to 
know that the services had to be stopped, data copied, and serviced 
restarted with a batch file indicating to me there is some knowledge there. 
That's why this 'sometime'.

Regards, Neal

"Neil Hobson [MVP]" <neil.hobson@nospam.silversands.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:%23T72HgRGHHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I understand totally what you are saying.  In my case, I typically respond 
>with the 'best practice' way of doing things because history has taught me 
>that the poster isn't always aware of the issues and consequences of what 
>they are about to do.  If they respond back to my post persisting with the 
>original request, then that can be answered once they've got a better 
>understanding of the fact that what they're trying to do isn't necessarily 
>the best thing.
>
> You say "it is our responsibility to make sure we do sometimes say to 
> people that what they are asking seems to be 'wrong' and steer them away". 
> So when is "sometimes"?  And why wasn't this particular example one of 
> those "sometimes"?  I'm just interested, that's all, since backup is 
> important and I've read enough posts here stating "we have no backup", 
> etc.  ;-)
>
> -- 
> Neil Hobson
> Exchange MVP
> http://www.msexchange.org/Neil_Hobson/
> http://www.msexchangeblog.com
>
>
> "Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
> news:ufDL4ZRGHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.
>>
>> People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their reasons why 
>> they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to tell them how to 
>> do what they have asked.
>>
>> Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
>> experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our responsibility 
>> to make sure we do sometimes say to people that what they are asking 
>> seems to be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is not right to jump to 
>> the conclusion that because someone wants to do a task that we normally 
>> wouldn't do, they are incorrect and the information they are asking for 
>> is withheld.
>>
>> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a 
>> remote hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup 
>> Exec.  I was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week 
>> (that gets FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this group how to do an 
>> offline backup, I would be very frustrated if four people all ignored my 
>> question and simply said "that's not how you do backups".  Yes you can 
>> still argue that a normal online backup could just as well be used 
>> instead of the offline one, but that is the direction from above.
>>
>> Regards, Neal
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kirill Palagin" <kpalagin@no.phxint.mail.ru> wrote in message 
>> news:%237DxldPGHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> "Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
>>> "Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".
>>>
>>> Neal wrote:
>>>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you 
>>>> how to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you 
>>>> don't want to do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of 
>>>> reasons for asking for this.
>>>>
>>>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You 
>>>> would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - 
>>>> especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup 
>>>> or another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup 
>>>> your IS and System State. Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files 
>>>> (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>>>
>>>> How to...
>>>>
>>>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
>>>> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange 
>>>> Anti Virus etc.
>>>>
>>>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>>>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during 
>>>> working hours!
>>>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>>>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>>>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>>>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>>>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>>>
>>>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to 
>>>> stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of 
>>>> research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>>>
>>>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say 
>>>> net start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these 
>>>> batch files work (one stops all the required services, and the other 
>>>> starts them all again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy 
>>>> command in the middle, something like...
>>>>
>>>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will 
>>>> need to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>>>
>>>> Neal
>>>>
>>>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
>>>> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy 
>>>>> exchange public and private folder and other required data files and 
>>>>> restart the services.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back 
>>>>> every now and then ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> If my message is helpful, please help me by registering at 
>>> www.openoffice.org and voting for the following issues:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70753
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15220
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10931
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=32785
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1035
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67838
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=39527
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64785
>>>
>>> Thank you very much!
>>
>>
>
> 


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neal7833 (68)
12/6/2006 10:08:28 AM
Hi Simon.  I didn't say it was the perfect solution, I just said that was 
the way I was told to do it.  After I've given my reasons back to management 
and they insist on doing it their way, I do as I'm told.

Regards, Neal

"Simon Walsh" <simon.walsh@kerfi.com> wrote in message 
news:%23dLzOsRGHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a 
> remote
> hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup Exec.  I
> was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week (that gets
> FTP'd offsite).
>
> I don't buy that example. A better solution would be to use ntbackup. 
> Backup using Copy method (so you don't interfere with log file sequences).
> Then you ftp your bkf file to a remote location.
>
> /Simon
>
> "Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
> news:ufDL4ZRGHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.
>>
>> People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their reasons why 
>> they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to tell them how to 
>> do what they have asked.
>>
>> Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
>> experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our responsibility 
>> to make sure we do sometimes say to people that what they are asking 
>> seems to be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is not right to jump to 
>> the conclusion that because someone wants to do a task that we normally 
>> wouldn't do, they are incorrect and the information they are asking for 
>> is withheld.
>>
>> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a 
>> remote hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup 
>> Exec.  I was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week 
>> (that gets FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this group how to do an 
>> offline backup, I would be very frustrated if four people all ignored my 
>> question and simply said "that's not how you do backups".  Yes you can 
>> still argue that a normal online backup could just as well be used 
>> instead of the offline one, but that is the direction from above.
>>
>> Regards, Neal
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kirill Palagin" <kpalagin@no.phxint.mail.ru> wrote in message 
>> news:%237DxldPGHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> "Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
>>> "Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".
>>>
>>> Neal wrote:
>>>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you 
>>>> how to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you 
>>>> don't want to do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of 
>>>> reasons for asking for this.
>>>>
>>>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You 
>>>> would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - 
>>>> especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup 
>>>> or another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup 
>>>> your IS and System State. Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files 
>>>> (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells should be ringing.
>>>>
>>>> How to...
>>>>
>>>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
>>>> experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange 
>>>> Anti Virus etc.
>>>>
>>>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>>>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during 
>>>> working hours!
>>>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>>>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>>>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>>>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>>>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>>>
>>>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to 
>>>> stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of 
>>>> research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>>>
>>>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say 
>>>> net start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these 
>>>> batch files work (one stops all the required services, and the other 
>>>> starts them all again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy 
>>>> command in the middle, something like...
>>>>
>>>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will 
>>>> need to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>>>
>>>> Neal
>>>>
>>>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
>>>> valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy 
>>>>> exchange public and private folder and other required data files and 
>>>>> restart the services.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back 
>>>>> every now and then ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> If my message is helpful, please help me by registering at 
>>> www.openoffice.org and voting for the following issues:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70753
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15220
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10931
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=32785
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1035
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67838
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=39527
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64785
>>>
>>> Thank you very much!
>>
>>
>
> 


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neal7833 (68)
12/6/2006 10:11:48 AM
Neal wrote:
> Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.

Yep, somewhat.

> 
> People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their reasons why 
> they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to tell them how to do 
> what they have asked.
> 
> Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
> experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our responsibility to 
> make sure we do sometimes say to people that what they are asking seems to 
> be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is not right to jump to the 
> conclusion that because someone wants to do a task that we normally wouldn't 
> do, they are incorrect and the information they are asking for is withheld.

I think it is my responsibility to not let somebody do the wrong thing. 
I will try to obtain the reasoning when somebody acts against best 
practices (I have steered people to best practices many times by simply 
not giving the requested answer right away).
If original poster insists or provides good reasoning, I will provide 
answer.
> 
> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a remote 
> hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup Exec.  I 
> was also told by management to do an offline backup once a week (that gets 
> FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this group how to do an offline backup, 
> I would be very frustrated if four people all ignored my question and simply 
> said "that's not how you do backups".  Yes you can still argue that a normal 
> online backup could just as well be used instead of the offline one, but 
> that is the direction from above.

Well, "I am told to do so by managemet" is an argument too, but then 
again I would try to educate management if they are so technically involved.

Regards,
Kirill.

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http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
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Thank you very much!
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kpalagin (1838)
12/6/2006 11:12:20 AM
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 09:59:48 +1300, "Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote:

>Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell you how to 
>do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling you you don't want to 
>do what you have asked for.  You could have any number of reasons for asking 
>for this.

Well, that is why I asked also "why the need for an offline backup" :)
>
>I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct!  You would 
>want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline backup - especially if 
>this was your only backup.  You are best to use NTBackup or another product 
>like Backup Exec (with Exchange option) to bakup your IS and System State. 
>Do you have many (hundreds?) of log files (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells 
>should be ringing.
>
>How to...
>
>Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have to 
>experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as Exchange Anti 
>Virus etc.
>
>In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to something 
>like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during working hours!
>net stop MSExchangeES /y
>net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y

Even easier, simply stop "net stop MSExchangeSA" and the dependent
services will stop with it
>
>The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you try to stop 
>them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a bit of research to 
>find the exact service names you may need.
>
>Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to say net 
>start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that these batch files 
>work (one stops all the required services, and the other starts them all 
>again) you can combine them into one, and add a copy command in the middle, 
>something like...
>
>xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you will need to 
>change paths and drive letters to suite)
>
>Neal
>
>ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of this 
>valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!

Naw, no annoying here :P 
>
>
>
>"Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy exchange 
>> public and private folder and other required data files and restart the 
>> services.
>>
>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back every 
>> now and then ?
>>
>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some instructions.
>>
>>
>> 
>
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adavid (8731)
12/6/2006 12:35:37 PM
All that tells us is the the OP knows how to read a backup failure log 
that says that files were skipped. And he knows enough to deduce that the 
IS database was locked by the running Exchange process. 

Even experienced admins don't know it all. Exchange could have been new 
to him.

"Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in
news:ed8S#5RGHHA.816@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: 

> I hope everyone does continue with best practice answers.
> 
> I guess this is in response to me using this group for years, and
> sometimes being thrilled with the prompt, detailed and accurate
> responses I recieve, and sometimes frustrated that no one will answer
> my question. 
> 
> I agree with you that history has taught that the poster isn't always
> aware, but this particular post seemed quite specific.  The person
> knew enough to know that the services had to be stopped, data copied,
> and serviced restarted with a batch file indicating to me there is
> some knowledge there. That's why this 'sometime'.
> 
> Regards, Neal
> 
> "Neil Hobson [MVP]" <neil.hobson@nospam.silversands.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:%23T72HgRGHHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I understand totally what you are saying.  In my case, I typically
>>respond with the 'best practice' way of doing things because history
>>has taught me that the poster isn't always aware of the issues and
>>consequences of what they are about to do.  If they respond back to my
>>post persisting with the original request, then that can be answered
>>once they've got a better understanding of the fact that what they're
>>trying to do isn't necessarily the best thing.
>>
>> You say "it is our responsibility to make sure we do sometimes say to
>> people that what they are asking seems to be 'wrong' and steer them
>> away". So when is "sometimes"?  And why wasn't this particular
>> example one of those "sometimes"?  I'm just interested, that's all,
>> since backup is important and I've read enough posts here stating "we
>> have no backup", etc.  ;-)
>>
>> -- 
>> Neil Hobson
>> Exchange MVP
>> http://www.msexchange.org/Neil_Hobson/
>> http://www.msexchangeblog.com
>>
>>
>> "Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
>> news:ufDL4ZRGHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.
>>>
>>> People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their
>>> reasons why they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to
>>> tell them how to do what they have asked.
>>>
>>> Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
>>> experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our
>>> responsibility to make sure we do sometimes say to people that what
>>> they are asking seems to be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is
>>> not right to jump to the conclusion that because someone wants to do
>>> a task that we normally wouldn't do, they are incorrect and the
>>> information they are asking for is withheld.
>>>
>>> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in
>>> a remote hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with
>>> Backup Exec.  I was also told by management to do an offline backup
>>> once a week (that gets FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this
>>> group how to do an offline backup, I would be very frustrated if
>>> four people all ignored my question and simply said "that's not how
>>> you do backups".  Yes you can still argue that a normal online
>>> backup could just as well be used instead of the offline one, but
>>> that is the direction from above. 
>>>
>>> Regards, Neal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kirill Palagin" <kpalagin@no.phxint.mail.ru> wrote in message 
>>> news:%237DxldPGHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> "Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
>>>> "Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".
>>>>
>>>> Neal wrote:
>>>>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell
>>>>> you how to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling
>>>>> you you don't want to do what you have asked for.  You could have
>>>>> any number of reasons for asking for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct! 
>>>>> You would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline
>>>>> backup - especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to
>>>>> use NTBackup or another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange
>>>>> option) to bakup your IS and System State. Do you have many
>>>>> (hundreds?) of log files (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells should
>>>>> be ringing. 
>>>>>
>>>>> How to...
>>>>>
>>>>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have
>>>>> to experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as
>>>>> Exchange Anti Virus etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>>>>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during 
>>>>> working hours!
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>>>>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>>>>
>>>>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you
>>>>> try to stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a
>>>>> bit of research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to
>>>>> say net start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that
>>>>> these batch files work (one stops all the required services, and
>>>>> the other starts them all again) you can combine them into one,
>>>>> and add a copy command in the middle, something like...
>>>>>
>>>>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you
>>>>> will need to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>>>>
>>>>> Neal
>>>>>
>>>>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of
>>>>> this valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>>>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy 
>>>>>> exchange public and private folder and other required data files
>>>>>> and restart the services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back
>>>>>> every now and then ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some
>>>>>> instructions. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> If my message is helpful, please help me by registering at 
>>>> www.openoffice.org and voting for the following issues:
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70753
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15220
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10931
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=32785
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1035
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67838
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=39527
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64785
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
> 
> 

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ashernat (63)
12/6/2006 2:23:02 PM
It is ultimately our job to ensure proper recovery procedures. If 
management's way will not acomplish this, you're better off doing it your 
way. Have you asked management why they insist on an offline backup as 
opposed to FTPing an online backup?


"Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in
news:#zQY27RGHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: 

> Hi Simon.  I didn't say it was the perfect solution, I just said that
> was the way I was told to do it.  After I've given my reasons back to
> management and they insist on doing it their way, I do as I'm told.
> 
> Regards, Neal
> 
> "Simon Walsh" <simon.walsh@kerfi.com> wrote in message 
> news:%23dLzOsRGHHA.2632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in a
>> remote
>> hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with Backup
>> Exec.  I was also told by management to do an offline backup once a
>> week (that gets FTP'd offsite).
>>
>> I don't buy that example. A better solution would be to use ntbackup.
>> Backup using Copy method (so you don't interfere with log file
>> sequences). Then you ftp your bkf file to a remote location.
>>
>> /Simon
>>
>> "Neal" <neal@apoyar.net> wrote in message 
>> news:ufDL4ZRGHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Kirill, you've missed my point.
>>>
>>> People ask how to do things.  They sometimes don't give their
>>> reasons why they want to do things.  That doesn't make it wrong to
>>> tell them how to do what they have asked.
>>>
>>> Also no one is ignoring the advice of experienced admins.  And, as 
>>> experienced admins, and members of this group, it is our
>>> responsibility to make sure we do sometimes say to people that what
>>> they are asking seems to be 'wrong' and steer them away.  But it is
>>> not right to jump to the conclusion that because someone wants to do
>>> a task that we normally wouldn't do, they are incorrect and the
>>> information they are asking for is withheld.
>>>
>>> Here's an example.  One of the many Exchange servers I manage is in
>>> a remote hosting center.  We run 'normal' backups every night with
>>> Backup Exec.  I was also told by management to do an offline backup
>>> once a week (that gets FTP'd offsite).  So if I were to ask this
>>> group how to do an offline backup, I would be very frustrated if
>>> four people all ignored my question and simply said "that's not how
>>> you do backups".  Yes you can still argue that a normal online
>>> backup could just as well be used instead of the offline one, but
>>> that is the direction from above. 
>>>
>>> Regards, Neal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kirill Palagin" <kpalagin@no.phxint.mail.ru> wrote in message 
>>> news:%237DxldPGHHA.1080@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> "Mommy, how do I set the school on fire?"
>>>> "Good girl, here is gasoline bottle and lighter".
>>>>
>>>> Neal wrote:
>>>>> Funny isn't it that no one wants to answer your question and tell
>>>>> you how to do what you want.  Four MVPs reply, one even telling
>>>>> you you don't want to do what you have asked for.  You could have
>>>>> any number of reasons for asking for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll tell you, BUT... the advice from the other posts is correct! 
>>>>> You would want to have a pretty good reason to do an offline
>>>>> backup - especially if this was your only backup.  You are best to
>>>>> use NTBackup or another product like Backup Exec (with Exchange
>>>>> option) to bakup your IS and System State. Do you have many
>>>>> (hundreds?) of log files (E00?????.log) If so, alarm bells should
>>>>> be ringing. 
>>>>>
>>>>> How to...
>>>>>
>>>>> Make a batch file that stops the Exchange services.  You may have
>>>>> to experiment to see if you have to stop other services, such as
>>>>> Exchange Anti Virus etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a text file, enter the following.  Save and rename the file to 
>>>>> something like StopExchange.bat  Be careful not to run it during 
>>>>> working hours!
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeES /y
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeIS /y
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeMTA /y
>>>>> net stop MSExchangeSA /y
>>>>> net stop WinHttpAutoProxySvc /y
>>>>>
>>>>> The order is not critical, but you can get error messages if you
>>>>> try to stop them in a different order.  Also, you may have to do a
>>>>> bit of research to find the exact service names you may need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then make another called StartExchange.bat and edit each line to
>>>>> say net start instead of net stop.  Test.  Once you are happy that
>>>>> these batch files work (one stops all the required services, and
>>>>> the other starts them all again) you can combine them into one,
>>>>> and add a copy command in the middle, something like...
>>>>>
>>>>> xcopy d:\exchsrvr\mdbdata x:\exofflinebackup /S (obviously you
>>>>> will need to change paths and drive letters to suite)
>>>>>
>>>>> Neal
>>>>>
>>>>> ps, I don't want to annoy any MVPs as they are the lifeblood of
>>>>> this valuable group, but I also see many questions not answered!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mehbs" <msamani@comcast.net> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:%23yU30JKGHHA.1216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to keep a good backup of my exchange 2003.
>>>>>> I am looking for some instructions that stops the services, copy 
>>>>>> exchange public and private folder and other required data files
>>>>>> and restart the services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can I create something like that in a batch file and get the back
>>>>>> every now and then ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would really appreciate if someone please send me some
>>>>>> instructions. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> If my message is helpful, please help me by registering at 
>>>> www.openoffice.org and voting for the following issues:
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=70753
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=15220
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=10931
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=35579
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=32785
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1035
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=67838
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=39527
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64785
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
> 
> 

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ashernat (63)
12/6/2006 2:24:41 PM
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