domain upgrade path... need comments please

current config:

NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5

we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003 without
missing a beat.

the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member server
running exchange.

any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less configure
the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all user
accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more than
1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get on
this the better. thanks in advance.



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6/24/2004 6:41:09 PM
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When you are upgrading an NT4 domain to Windows Server 2003 Active 
Directory, the first machine to be upgraded must be the PDC on the domain.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/upgrading/nt4/default.mspx (this 
also links to a good white paper that has  a whole section on client 
connectivity issues, esp. for down-level clients.)

This doesn't mean that your production PDC needs to be the first machine 
upgraded if the existing hardware won't support the upgrade or if you don't 
want to risk any downtime for the machine.  Here's how I did it:

You can do a clean NT4 install of a new "swing" machine as an additional BDC 
on your NT4 domain, promote that machine to be the PDC, then upgrade this 
clean machine without affecting any of the apps running on your NT4 PDC.

You should also install a second "swing" BDC and take it offline completely 
as a roll-back option in case you are dissatisfied with the 2003 upgrade for 
any reason.


-- 
******************************
Laura E. Hunter - MCSE, MCT, MVP
Replies to newsgroup only


<jjd228@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message 
news:9fFCc.28558$u83.4131063@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> current config:
>
> NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5
>
> we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003 without
> missing a beat.
>
> the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member server
> running exchange.
>
> any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
> upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less 
> configure
> the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
> network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all user
> accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more 
> than
> 1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get on
> this the better. thanks in advance.
>
>
> 


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Laura
6/24/2004 6:47:55 PM
Sure it's possible.  It's done all the time.  1 minute downtime is likely
overreacting, but you can work on that expectation yourself.

Check out the links at http://www.microsoft.com/ad and
www.microsoft.com/exchange/library for information on that type of
migration.  I wouldn't suggest it in most cases.  I'd suggest preserving the
domain and accounts as it's so much easier an upgrade.  If you went that
path, it would be add in a new piece of hardware.  Make it a NT BDC.
Promote to PDC. Upgrade the OS on that machine.  Build the next machine on
new hardware as a 2K3 server.  dcpromo.  transfer roles.  rebuild the first
one that was built to ensure now upgraded software was ever introduced.
Build in the new Exchange infrastructure into the domain/forest.  Move the
mailboxes over.  Wait for clients to have logged in at least once. Transfer
all roles to the new Exchange server. Sunset original NT and Exchange
servers.
Collect your paycheck.

That would be the easiest way without downtime.  The other method would
likely introduce some oddities of coexistence and possible reboots of the
clients.  Whatever, you can find more information at those links.

Al

<jjd228@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:9fFCc.28558$u83.4131063@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> current config:
>
> NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5
>
> we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003 without
> missing a beat.
>
> the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member server
> running exchange.
>
> any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
> upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less
configure
> the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
> network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all user
> accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more
than
> 1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get on
> this the better. thanks in advance.
>
>
>


0
6/24/2004 6:53:36 PM
the problem (that i didnt mention) is that none of the existing machines
will support server 2003. all new machines will be purchased. so that leaves
me with having to configure the new domain from scratch. what are my options
there?



"Laura E. Hunter (MVP)" <hunter(nospamplease)@sfs.upenn.edu> wrote in
message news:OUvMEvhWEHA.1764@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> When you are upgrading an NT4 domain to Windows Server 2003 Active
> Directory, the first machine to be upgraded must be the PDC on the domain.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/upgrading/nt4/default.mspx
(this
> also links to a good white paper that has  a whole section on client
> connectivity issues, esp. for down-level clients.)
>
> This doesn't mean that your production PDC needs to be the first machine
> upgraded if the existing hardware won't support the upgrade or if you
don't
> want to risk any downtime for the machine.  Here's how I did it:
>
> You can do a clean NT4 install of a new "swing" machine as an additional
BDC
> on your NT4 domain, promote that machine to be the PDC, then upgrade this
> clean machine without affecting any of the apps running on your NT4 PDC.
>
> You should also install a second "swing" BDC and take it offline
completely
> as a roll-back option in case you are dissatisfied with the 2003 upgrade
for
> any reason.
>
>
> -- 
> ******************************
> Laura E. Hunter - MCSE, MCT, MVP
> Replies to newsgroup only
>
>
> <jjd228@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:9fFCc.28558$u83.4131063@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > current config:
> >
> > NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5
> >
> > we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003
without
> > missing a beat.
> >
> > the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member
server
> > running exchange.
> >
> > any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
> > upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less
> > configure
> > the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
> > network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all
user
> > accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more
> > than
> > 1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get
on
> > this the better. thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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jjd228 (96)
6/24/2004 6:56:51 PM
i like it... any one else?


"Al Mulnick" <amulnick_No_SPAM@ncDOTrr.com> wrote in message
news:%23vwHPyhWEHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Sure it's possible.  It's done all the time.  1 minute downtime is likely
> overreacting, but you can work on that expectation yourself.
>
> Check out the links at http://www.microsoft.com/ad and
> www.microsoft.com/exchange/library for information on that type of
> migration.  I wouldn't suggest it in most cases.  I'd suggest preserving
the
> domain and accounts as it's so much easier an upgrade.  If you went that
> path, it would be add in a new piece of hardware.  Make it a NT BDC.
> Promote to PDC. Upgrade the OS on that machine.  Build the next machine on
> new hardware as a 2K3 server.  dcpromo.  transfer roles.  rebuild the
first
> one that was built to ensure now upgraded software was ever introduced.
> Build in the new Exchange infrastructure into the domain/forest.  Move the
> mailboxes over.  Wait for clients to have logged in at least once.
Transfer
> all roles to the new Exchange server. Sunset original NT and Exchange
> servers.
> Collect your paycheck.
>
> That would be the easiest way without downtime.  The other method would
> likely introduce some oddities of coexistence and possible reboots of the
> clients.  Whatever, you can find more information at those links.
>
> Al
>
> <jjd228@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:9fFCc.28558$u83.4131063@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > current config:
> >
> > NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5
> >
> > we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003
without
> > missing a beat.
> >
> > the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member
server
> > running exchange.
> >
> > any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
> > upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less
> configure
> > the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
> > network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all
user
> > accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more
> than
> > 1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get
on
> > this the better. thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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jjd228 (96)
6/24/2004 6:58:44 PM
We just upgraded our domain to AD 2003 from NT 4.0. I'm glad to say that,
thus far, we have not had any major problems - only a minor issue with the
Terminal Services Licensing server needing to get transferred from a member
server to a 2003 DC. Just follow the MS recommendations and test well! I
really don't see any need to set anything up offline. That might actually
cause more problems. As long as you do your homework and test everything you
can possibly think of, I can't imagine you would run into any major
problems. One thing to note, all Windows 2000 and above clients and member
servers will need to get rebooted at least once after the upgrade to
correctly update their computer accounts and register in DNS.

Also, I would definitely not even think about trying to do AD and Exchange
in one shot. Do AD first, let things stabilize, then do the Exchange
upgrade. Since you're going to be using new hardware, it will make both
upgrades a lot smoother and there should be less chances for problems.

Now I'm hoping our Exchange 5.5 to 2003 upgrade will go equally well...

<jjd228@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:9fFCc.28558$u83.4131063@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> current config:
>
> NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5
>
> we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003 without
> missing a beat.
>
> the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member server
> running exchange.
>
> any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
> upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less
configure
> the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
> network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all user
> accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more
than
> 1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get on
> this the better. thanks in advance.
>
>
>


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MartinHTN
6/24/2004 7:03:40 PM
thank you! and let me know when you do the exchange upgrade


"MartinHTN" <m@ht.n> wrote in message
news:Olm%23O4hWEHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> We just upgraded our domain to AD 2003 from NT 4.0. I'm glad to say that,
> thus far, we have not had any major problems - only a minor issue with the
> Terminal Services Licensing server needing to get transferred from a
member
> server to a 2003 DC. Just follow the MS recommendations and test well! I
> really don't see any need to set anything up offline. That might actually
> cause more problems. As long as you do your homework and test everything
you
> can possibly think of, I can't imagine you would run into any major
> problems. One thing to note, all Windows 2000 and above clients and member
> servers will need to get rebooted at least once after the upgrade to
> correctly update their computer accounts and register in DNS.
>
> Also, I would definitely not even think about trying to do AD and Exchange
> in one shot. Do AD first, let things stabilize, then do the Exchange
> upgrade. Since you're going to be using new hardware, it will make both
> upgrades a lot smoother and there should be less chances for problems.
>
> Now I'm hoping our Exchange 5.5 to 2003 upgrade will go equally well...
>
> <jjd228@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:9fFCc.28558$u83.4131063@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > current config:
> >
> > NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5
> >
> > we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003
without
> > missing a beat.
> >
> > the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member
server
> > running exchange.
> >
> > any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
> > upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less
> configure
> > the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
> > network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all
user
> > accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more
> than
> > 1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get
on
> > this the better. thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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jjd228 (96)
6/24/2004 7:15:04 PM
Not doing it one shot is great advice.  I've told many a client the same
thing in the past ;-)

"MartinHTN" <m@ht.n> wrote in message
news:Olm%23O4hWEHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> We just upgraded our domain to AD 2003 from NT 4.0. I'm glad to say that,
> thus far, we have not had any major problems - only a minor issue with the
> Terminal Services Licensing server needing to get transferred from a
member
> server to a 2003 DC. Just follow the MS recommendations and test well! I
> really don't see any need to set anything up offline. That might actually
> cause more problems. As long as you do your homework and test everything
you
> can possibly think of, I can't imagine you would run into any major
> problems. One thing to note, all Windows 2000 and above clients and member
> servers will need to get rebooted at least once after the upgrade to
> correctly update their computer accounts and register in DNS.
>
> Also, I would definitely not even think about trying to do AD and Exchange
> in one shot. Do AD first, let things stabilize, then do the Exchange
> upgrade. Since you're going to be using new hardware, it will make both
> upgrades a lot smoother and there should be less chances for problems.
>
> Now I'm hoping our Exchange 5.5 to 2003 upgrade will go equally well...
>
> <jjd228@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:9fFCc.28558$u83.4131063@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > current config:
> >
> > NT server domain 100+ users. 1 PDC, 1 BDC, 1 server running exchange 5.5
> >
> > we need to upgrade this to server 2003 AD domain w/ exchange 2003
without
> > missing a beat.
> >
> > the final config will have 2 active directory DC's, and one member
server
> > running exchange.
> >
> > any thoughts on this? if possible we like to NOT run OS installs as
> > upgrades. we are buying new servers and would like to more or less
> configure
> > the new domain and exchange installation off line, away from the current
> > network. with this method, is there a simple way to migrate over all
user
> > accounts and exchange mailboxes? like i said the client cant have more
> than
> > 1 minute downtime... is this even possible? the more comments i can get
on
> > this the better. thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
>
>


0
6/24/2004 11:53:41 PM
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I use Windows XP pro. My PC has two WD SE16 WD2500KS SATA 250G hdds. When I start the PC in the morning I am hearing a whirring noise coming out of the PC and I think it is the C drive. Where can I read up on how to add a drive, and mirror everything on the current C drive onto the new drive? What is a smart choice in an enterprise grade HDD? I am thinking the warranty has expired on the drives. Thanks timOleary wrote: > I use Windows XP pro. My PC has two WD SE16 WD2500KS SATA 250G hdds. > When I start the PC in the morning I am hearing a whirring noise > coming out of th...

report with VBA not working after upgrade
we did an upgrade from v7.5 to v8, and one of the report can't show vba modified fields. any idea how to fix it? Thanks If you are accessing SQL Data, you probably need new Retrieve Globals. Go to partner source, and download RetrieveGlobals_80.dll, and register this file using RegSvr.exe. The instructions are included in the zip file. Let us know if this doesn't fix your problem. Thx, VJ ...

Exchange 2003 with wrong domain name
I was hoping someone could give me some advice on an issue we are having. We have an Exchange 2003 and DC(Windows 2003 Server) server behind a Cisco PIX 506e router. Everything works great, however the company that installed the servers for us, named our domain wrong. So our root domain is not correct. However, this has never been a problem until now. Now more and more companies are using some type of reverse lookup to make sure the domain name matches up with the IP address. Well, since our domain name was named wrong, the external address of our firewall, does not match our domain name. ...

I need to host a 2nd domain on my Exchange server.
Hi, my current email is ashrafvc@abc.com on a single domain with exchange 2003. We have currently aquired another company and I need to add new email account on my same exchange server with different domain name, for example abc@mbc.com I refer some article suggesting to play around with recepient policy but somehow it just seem to be not working for me. Is there a better way or right solution for this ? Please help. Thanks & Regards, Ashraf http://www.petri.co.il/configure_exchange_2000_2003_to_receive_email_for_other_domains.htm That should give you the basics. Make sure the MX rec...

Need to prevent changes to 2003 Outlook screen layout
My father does not have fine motor control in his hands, and he frequently accidentally changes the layout of various parts of the Outlook screen, by accidentally dragging things away, or double-clicking on a column title in the in-box, etc. Once this happens, he does not know how to restore things to the way they were. I need to be able to create the layout he wants, and then prevent any other changes from being made. I have set his machine up with Admin rights reserved for my Logon ID. Any help will be appreciated. ...