#### Help needed with sum function

```Hello,

Hopefully i can have a few questions answered all at once here.

1) Is the sum function within excel limited to approximately 30 cells
?

e.g. when I sum the cells     =sum(c14,c22,c30,c38,c46���        it
seems to stop after I get to about 30 cells.

2) Is there a difference in summing them like that or like this
=sum(c14+c22+c30+���.

3) is there a quicker way to sum cells when they are each a constant
number apart, like the above scenario where each cell number I want to
sum increases by 8 each time ?

I have about 52 cells to sum (one for each week of the year) and I am
thinking the only other way I can do it is to sum 10 at a time, then
do a final sum on those 6 x values but I would like it to be a bit
neater.

I thought there might have been an option somewhere like

=sum(\$C14+(\$n+8)+\$C398)     where the starting cell is c14 and the end
cell is c398 and it sums every multiple cell of 8 in between.

(I just made that up of course, but it's sort of the formula i am
trying to achieve).

Regards and many thanks in advance,

Angela
```
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Angela1 (2)
8/24/2005 10:41:16 AM
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```Functions (such as SUM) that take a variable number of arguments are
limited to 30 arguments, not 30 cells.
=SUM(C14+C22+C30,C38+C46+C54)
uses 2 arguments instead of 6, but this approach is a pain to enter and
would rapidly become unacceptably long.
=C14+C22+C30+C38+C46+C54
is slightly shorter, but remains inconvenient to enter.

If by "quicker" you mean easier to enter, then you might try
=SUM(IF(MOD(ROW(C14:C422),8)=6,C14:C422))
which must be array entered (Ctrl-Shift-Enter)

Jerry

Angela@Singh.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Hopefully i can have a few questions answered all at once here.
>
> 1) Is the sum function within excel limited to approximately 30 cells
> ?
>
> e.g. when I sum the cells     =sum(c14,c22,c30,c38,c46.........        it
> seems to stop after I get to about 30 cells.
>
> 2) Is there a difference in summing them like that or like this
> =sum(c14+c22+c30+..........
>
> 3) is there a quicker way to sum cells when they are each a constant
> number apart, like the above scenario where each cell number I want to
> sum increases by 8 each time ?
>
> I have about 52 cells to sum (one for each week of the year) and I am
> thinking the only other way I can do it is to sum 10 at a time, then
> do a final sum on those 6 x values but I would like it to be a bit
> neater.
>
> I thought there might have been an option somewhere like
>
> =sum(\$C14+(\$n+8)+\$C398)     where the starting cell is c14 and the end
> cell is c398 and it sums every multiple cell of 8 in between.
>
> (I just made that up of course, but it's sort of the formula i am
> trying to achieve).
>
>
> Regards and many thanks in advance,
>
> Angela

```
 0
8/24/2005 11:12:55 AM
```Wow Jerry, i will try this when i go back to work tomorrow - my
fingers are crossed, and i am expecting it to work because you sound
like you know what you are talking about :)

Thanks ever so much,
Angela

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:12:55 -0400, "Jerry W. Lewis"

>Functions (such as SUM) that take a variable number of arguments are
>limited to 30 arguments, not 30 cells.
>    =SUM(C14+C22+C30,C38+C46+C54)
>uses 2 arguments instead of 6, but this approach is a pain to enter and
>would rapidly become unacceptably long.
>    =C14+C22+C30+C38+C46+C54
>is slightly shorter, but remains inconvenient to enter.
>
>If by "quicker" you mean easier to enter, then you might try
>    =SUM(IF(MOD(ROW(C14:C422),8)=6,C14:C422))
>which must be array entered (Ctrl-Shift-Enter)
>
>Jerry
>
>Angela@Singh.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Hopefully i can have a few questions answered all at once here.
>>
>> 1) Is the sum function within excel limited to approximately 30 cells
>> ?
>>
>> e.g. when I sum the cells     =sum(c14,c22,c30,c38,c46.........        it
>> seems to stop after I get to about 30 cells.
>>
>> 2) Is there a difference in summing them like that or like this
>> =sum(c14+c22+c30+..........
>>
>> 3) is there a quicker way to sum cells when they are each a constant
>> number apart, like the above scenario where each cell number I want to
>> sum increases by 8 each time ?
>>
>> I have about 52 cells to sum (one for each week of the year) and I am
>> thinking the only other way I can do it is to sum 10 at a time, then
>> do a final sum on those 6 x values but I would like it to be a bit
>> neater.
>>
>> I thought there might have been an option somewhere like
>>
>> =sum(\$C14+(\$n+8)+\$C398)     where the starting cell is c14 and the end
>> cell is c398 and it sums every multiple cell of 8 in between.
>>
>> (I just made that up of course, but it's sort of the formula i am
>> trying to achieve).
>>
>>
>> Regards and many thanks in advance,
>>
>> Angela

```
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Angela1 (2)
8/24/2005 11:24:44 AM
```Angela,
Yes to the first two questions - there is a limit of 30 which ever o
these ways you try.

Is it possible to set up another line or column to get thse 52 answer
into 52 adjacent cells ? Assuming that the answers are in C14, C22, C3
etc, yo9u can set up another line so that column D reads column C s
cell D1 is =C14, D2 is =C22 etc. Once you have this then you can se
the sum function =Sum(D1:D53) at the end of the column

There is a way of getting the formula to step every eighth cell, but t
my mind this is making things more complicated than they need to be. I
the above suggestion doesn't work , then we'll go to option B

Cheer

--
Jon Quixle
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```
 0
8/24/2005 11:38:23 AM
```Another option is to take Jerry's formula and change functions to
SumProduct, therefore eliminating the need for an array formula.

With just a normal <Enter>, try this:

=SUMPRODUCT((MOD(ROW(C14:C422),8)=6)*C14:C422)

--

HTH,

RD
=====================================================
Please keep all correspondence within the Group, so all may benefit!
=====================================================

<Angela@Singh.com> wrote in message
news:g3mog1tbqmhud8908o0qfl7tlta5jijkkh@4ax.com...
Wow Jerry, i will try this when i go back to work tomorrow - my
fingers are crossed, and i am expecting it to work because you sound
like you know what you are talking about :)

Thanks ever so much,
Angela

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:12:55 -0400, "Jerry W. Lewis"

>Functions (such as SUM) that take a variable number of arguments are
>limited to 30 arguments, not 30 cells.
>    =SUM(C14+C22+C30,C38+C46+C54)
>uses 2 arguments instead of 6, but this approach is a pain to enter and
>would rapidly become unacceptably long.
>    =C14+C22+C30+C38+C46+C54
>is slightly shorter, but remains inconvenient to enter.
>
>If by "quicker" you mean easier to enter, then you might try
>    =SUM(IF(MOD(ROW(C14:C422),8)=6,C14:C422))
>which must be array entered (Ctrl-Shift-Enter)
>
>Jerry
>
>Angela@Singh.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Hopefully i can have a few questions answered all at once here.
>>
>> 1) Is the sum function within excel limited to approximately 30 cells
>> ?
>>
>> e.g. when I sum the cells     =sum(c14,c22,c30,c38,c46.........        it
>> seems to stop after I get to about 30 cells.
>>
>> 2) Is there a difference in summing them like that or like this
>> =sum(c14+c22+c30+..........
>>
>> 3) is there a quicker way to sum cells when they are each a constant
>> number apart, like the above scenario where each cell number I want to
>> sum increases by 8 each time ?
>>
>> I have about 52 cells to sum (one for each week of the year) and I am
>> thinking the only other way I can do it is to sum 10 at a time, then
>> do a final sum on those 6 x values but I would like it to be a bit
>> neater.
>>
>> I thought there might have been an option somewhere like
>>
>> =sum(\$C14+(\$n+8)+\$C398)     where the starting cell is c14 and the end
>> cell is c398 and it sums every multiple cell of 8 in between.
>>
>> (I just made that up of course, but it's sort of the formula i am
>> trying to achieve).
>>
>>
>> Regards and many thanks in advance,
>>
>> Angela

```
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ragdyer1 (4060)
8/24/2005 3:12:57 PM
```You can also "fool" excel into going beyond the 30-cell limit by using extra
parentheses:
=SUM(C14,C22,C30,C38,C46) has Excel think there are 5 items, but
=SUM(C14,C22,(C30,C38,C46)) has Excel think there are only 2 items!!
So, you can get hundreds of cells (not evenly spaced or together, for
example) by something like:
=SUM(C10,C123,F9,(E17,R12,C11,C15),(group3 like
previous),(group4...),(group5)) and excel will think there are 7 with this
configuration or,
=SUM((C10,C123,F9,(E17,R12,C11,C15)),((group3 like
previous),(group4...),(group5))) and excel will think there are only 2!!
Bob Umlas
Excel MVP

<Angela@Singh.com> wrote in message
news:e2jog1995s6ge294n1nh3hlubeau7tg5r9@4ax.com...
> Hello,
>
> Hopefully i can have a few questions answered all at once here.
>
> 1) Is the sum function within excel limited to approximately 30 cells
> ?
>
> e.g. when I sum the cells     =sum(c14,c22,c30,c38,c46...        it
> seems to stop after I get to about 30 cells.
>
> 2) Is there a difference in summing them like that or like this
> =sum(c14+c22+c30+....
>
> 3) is there a quicker way to sum cells when they are each a constant
> number apart, like the above scenario where each cell number I want to
> sum increases by 8 each time ?
>
> I have about 52 cells to sum (one for each week of the year) and I am
> thinking the only other way I can do it is to sum 10 at a time, then
> do a final sum on those 6 x values but I would like it to be a bit
> neater.
>
> I thought there might have been an option somewhere like
>
> =sum(\$C14+(\$n+8)+\$C398)     where the starting cell is c14 and the end
> cell is c398 and it sums every multiple cell of 8 in between.
>
> (I just made that up of course, but it's sort of the formula i am
> trying to achieve).
>
>
> Regards and many thanks in advance,
>
> Angela

```
 0
8/24/2005 5:47:17 PM
```This also works with *one* double pair of parenthesis:

=SUM((cell1,cell2, ... cell100))
--
Regards,

RD

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"Bob Umlas" <Excel_Trickster@msn.com> wrote in message
news:ODSjkPNqFHA.712@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> You can also "fool" excel into going beyond the 30-cell limit by using
extra
> parentheses:
> =SUM(C14,C22,C30,C38,C46) has Excel think there are 5 items, but
> =SUM(C14,C22,(C30,C38,C46)) has Excel think there are only 2 items!!
> So, you can get hundreds of cells (not evenly spaced or together, for
> example) by something like:
> =SUM(C10,C123,F9,(E17,R12,C11,C15),(group3 like
> previous),(group4...),(group5)) and excel will think there are 7 with this
> configuration or,
> =SUM((C10,C123,F9,(E17,R12,C11,C15)),((group3 like
> previous),(group4...),(group5))) and excel will think there are only 2!!
> Bob Umlas
> Excel MVP
>
>
> <Angela@Singh.com> wrote in message
> news:e2jog1995s6ge294n1nh3hlubeau7tg5r9@4ax.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > Hopefully i can have a few questions answered all at once here.
> >
> > 1) Is the sum function within excel limited to approximately 30 cells
> > ?
> >
> > e.g. when I sum the cells     =sum(c14,c22,c30,c38,c46...        it
> > seems to stop after I get to about 30 cells.
> >
> > 2) Is there a difference in summing them like that or like this
> > =sum(c14+c22+c30+....
> >
> > 3) is there a quicker way to sum cells when they are each a constant
> > number apart, like the above scenario where each cell number I want to
> > sum increases by 8 each time ?
> >
> > I have about 52 cells to sum (one for each week of the year) and I am
> > thinking the only other way I can do it is to sum 10 at a time, then
> > do a final sum on those 6 x values but I would like it to be a bit
> > neater.
> >
> > I thought there might have been an option somewhere like
> >
> > =sum(\$C14+(\$n+8)+\$C398)     where the starting cell is c14 and the end
> > cell is c398 and it sums every multiple cell of 8 in between.
> >
> > (I just made that up of course, but it's sort of the formula i am
> > trying to achieve).
> >
> >
> > Regards and many thanks in advance,
> >
> > Angela
>
>

```
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ragdyer1 (4060)
8/24/2005 8:34:30 PM
```Bob Umlas wrote...
>You can also "fool" excel into going beyond the 30-cell limit by using extra
>parentheses:
....

It's a 30 *argument* limit. The 'extra' parentheses create multiple
area range references that Excel considers single arguments.

>=SUM(C14,C22,(C30,C38,C46)) has Excel think there are only 2 items!!

No, there are 3 arguments: 2 single cell references, C14 and C22, and a
multiple area range reference, (C30,C38,C46).

>So, you can get hundreds of cells (not evenly spaced or together, for

As a practical matter, the formula limit of 1024 characters puts a
ceiling of 312 cells that could be references in one formula. For cells
all below row 9 the upper limit would be 254 cells.

That said, monster formulas consisting mostly of individual cell
references provide more potential for formula errors than almost
anything else.

```
 0
hrlngrv (1990)
8/24/2005 11:48:10 PM

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