#### Non-VBA formula to find 2nd Sunday of a given month

```Can anyone help me write a formula to find the date of the second sunda
in a given month?

Dav

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```David,

Assuming you have a date in A1, this gives the 2nd Sunday of that date

=DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)+MOD(8-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)),7)+7

--

HTH

Bob Phillips
... looking out across Poole Harbour to the Purbecks
(remove nothere from the email address if mailing direct)

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> Can anyone help me write a formula to find the date of the second sunday
> in a given month?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
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bob.phillips1 (6510)
11/27/2003 10:48:07 PM
```Hi David,

This appears to work and is one method,

=IF(WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(J8),MONTH(J8),1))=1, DATE(YEAR(J8),MONTH(J8),1)+7,
DATE(YEAR(J8),MONTH(J8),1)+15-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(J8),MONTH(J8),1)))

J8 is where you have a date (say 27 Nov 2003).

You get an answer of 9 Nov 2003.

If you have J8 equal to 15 Feb 2004, you should get as an answer 8 Feb 2004.

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Kevin

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>
> Can anyone help me write a formula to find the date of the second sunday
> in a given month?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
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stecyk (172)
11/27/2003 10:51:46 PM
```Hi Bob,

Regards,
Kevin

"Bob Phillips" <bob.phillips@notheretiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%23%23PwGiTtDHA.2360@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> David,
>
> Assuming you have a date in A1, this gives the 2nd Sunday of that date
>
> =DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)+MOD(8-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)),7)+7
>
>
> --
>
> HTH
>
> Bob Phillips
>     ... looking out across Poole Harbour to the Purbecks
> (remove nothere from the email address if mailing direct)
>
> "DavidObeid" <DavidObeid.xkpiy@excelforum-nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:DavidObeid.xkpiy@excelforum-nospam.com...
> >
> > Can anyone help me write a formula to find the date of the second sunday
> > in a given month?
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > ~~ Message posted from http://www.ExcelTip.com/
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> >
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>

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stecyk (172)
11/27/2003 10:54:53 PM
```On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:12:53 -0600, DavidObeid
<DavidObeid.xkpiy@excelforum-nospam.com> wrote:

>
>Can anyone help me write a formula to find the date of the second sunday
>in a given month?
>
>
>Dave
>
>
>------------------------------------------------
>~~ Message posted from http://www.ExcelTip.com/
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I think I have it correct this time <g>.

If the first of the month is in A1, then:

=A1+13-WEEKDAY(A1,3)

If it's a random date in the month in A1, then:

=DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),14)-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1),3)

--ron
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ronrosenfeld (3122)
11/28/2003 2:33:02 AM
```"Bob Phillips" <bob.phillips@notheretiscali.co.uk> wrote...
>Assuming you have a date in A1, this gives the 2nd Sunday of that date
>
>=DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)+MOD(8-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)),7)+7
....

I love 'name that tune' problems. Another alternative,

=A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1))+15

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hrlngrv (1990)
11/28/2003 6:49:06 AM
```I believe this is just another option....

=EOMONTH(A1,-1)-WEEKDAY(EOMONTH(A1,-1))+15

--
Dana DeLouis
Using Windows XP  &  Office XP
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

"DavidObeid" <DavidObeid.xkpiy@excelforum-nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Can anyone help me write a formula to find the date of the second sunday
> in a given month?
>
>
> Dave

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delouis (422)
11/28/2003 7:10:07 AM
```"Dana DeLouis" <delouis@bellsouth.net> wrote...
>I believe this is just another option....
>
>=EOMONTH(A1,-1)-WEEKDAY(EOMONTH(A1,-1))+15
....

But it does require the ATP.

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hrlngrv (1990)
11/28/2003 7:31:49 AM
```Harlan,

How would you adapt your formula for the second Monday (David's second
request)?

I tried simply increasing the 15 to 16, but I get the wrong answer when I
examine March 2004, using a "seed" (or A1) date of 15 March 2004.  I get an
answer of 15 March 2004 (same as the seed, coincidence), but the correct
answer should be 8 March 2004.

TIA.

Regards,
Kevin

> I love 'name that tune' problems. Another alternative,
>
> =A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1))+15

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stecyk (172)
11/28/2003 4:34:38 PM
```How about

=A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)+15

Here are 2 other options (for 1900 date system)

=INT((DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),5))/7)*7+9

for all date systems

=DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),15)-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),6))

--

Regards,

Peo Sjoblom

"Kevin Stecyk" <stecyk@nohotspammail.com> wrote in message
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> Harlan,
>
> How would you adapt your formula for the second Monday (David's second
> request)?
>
> I tried simply increasing the 15 to 16, but I get the wrong answer when I
> examine March 2004, using a "seed" (or A1) date of 15 March 2004.  I get
an
> answer of 15 March 2004 (same as the seed, coincidence), but the correct
> answer should be 8 March 2004.
>
> TIA.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
>
> > I love 'name that tune' problems. Another alternative,
> >
> > =A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1))+15
>
>

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terre081 (3244)
11/28/2003 5:35:54 PM
```Peo,

Thank you very much!

Can I bother you further to inquire as to the logic.  I will tell you where
I got to, and then you can correct or add as the case might be?

Let's use 15 March 2004 as an example.

=A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)+15

A1-DAY(A1) gives the last day of the prior month. 29 Feb 2004.

WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)...is the weekday of the last day of the prior month,
using Monday as 1.  So in our case, we have Sunday or 7.
Questions:
1) Why did you use the "2" parameter?  Guess: you wanted the Monday to be
one, just as for the Sunday example, Sunday was 1.
2) Would the symmetry of this example break down if you wanted the 2nd
Thursday because you cannot set Thursday to 1?

A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)

Yields the 22nd (=29-7) of February.  You are always going to "back-up" into
the previous month to a Sunday where you have a full week remaining in prior

2nd Example:

=DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),15)-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),6))

I understand the end result of the equation, though I do not understand why
you started off with the 15th of the current month.  So I am missing step 1.
I suspect once I get a slight push, your solution will rapidly make sense.
But right now, I am stumped.

The reason for asking my questions is to better my understanding.  Like most
everything else, a bit of practice always helps.

Thank you so much Peo.

Best regards,
Kevin

"Peo Sjoblom" <terre08@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:eI5KTYdtDHA.1760@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
> =A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)+15
>
>
> Here are 2 other options (for 1900 date system)
>
> =INT((DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),5))/7)*7+9
>
> for all date systems
>
> =DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),15)-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),6))
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Peo Sjoblom

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stecyk (172)
11/28/2003 6:47:13 PM
```Kevin,

>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Can I bother you further to inquire as to the logic.  I will tell you
where
> I got to, and then you can correct or add as the case might be?
>
> Let's use 15 March 2004 as an example.
>
> =A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)+15
>
> A1-DAY(A1) gives the last day of the prior month. 29 Feb 2004.
>
> WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)...is the weekday of the last day of the prior month,
> using Monday as 1.  So in our case, we have Sunday or 7.
> Questions:
> 1) Why did you use the "2" parameter?  Guess: you wanted the Monday to be
> one, just as for the Sunday example, Sunday was 1.
> 2) Would the symmetry of this example break down if you wanted the 2nd
> Thursday because you cannot set Thursday to 1?

Yes, you would have to offset that.. The reason I added the weekday 2 option
is just that.

=A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),3)+15

will obviously return the second Tuesday

>
> A1-DAY(A1)-WEEKDAY(A1-DAY(A1),2)
>
> Yields the 22nd (=29-7) of February.  You are always going to "back-up"
into
> the previous month to a Sunday where you have a full week remaining in
prior
> month?  Now you add 15.
>
>
> 2nd Example:
>
> =DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),15)-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),6))
>
> I understand the end result of the equation, though I do not understand
why
> you started off with the 15th of the current month.  So I am missing step
1.
> I suspect once I get a slight push, your solution will rapidly make sense.
> But right now, I am stumped.

Ok, the reason it starts with 15 is that the weekday of the 15th of the
month will
always be the third occurrence of that particular weekday, Now if the first
date is a Thursday (April 1st 2004)
how many days differ between Thursday and Monday? 3 days.
Now the second part of the formula depending on what day we use, 6 in this
example
for Mondays will always return the difference between the 15th and the
second Monday.
Weekday for 04/06/04 will return 3, 04/15/04 - 3 is a Monday. Now using
March 2004,
which start with a Monday, that means that 03/15/04 will be the third Monday
of the month
and 03/06/04 is a Saturday, Weekday for Saturday is 7, so 15 - 7 must be the
second Monday.
Since the weekday(date) will always return this internal indexing it will
always be correct.
I believe I picked this up from Daniel Maher who is in my opinion extremely
clever when it comes to dates.
So if you want the second Sunday, change the last day part to 7, 5 for
Tuesday..

>
> The reason for asking my questions is to better my understanding.  Like
most
> everything else, a bit of practice always helps.
>
> Thank you so much Peo.
>
> Best regards,
> Kevin

Regards,

Peo Sjoblom

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terre081 (3244)
11/28/2003 11:33:18 PM
```Peo,

Thank you so much for taking considerable time to respond to my question.

Best regards,
Kevin

```
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stecyk (172)
11/29/2003 1:38:18 AM
```David,

You asked this question on 27th Nov 2003, and this is the answer I gave
then.

Assuming you have a date in A1, this gives the 2nd Sunday of that date

DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)+MOD(8-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)),7)+7

--

HTH

Bob Phillips
... looking out across Poole Harbour to the Purbecks
(remove nothere from the email address if mailing direct)

"DavidObeid" <DavidObeid.xkpiy@excelforum-nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Can anyone help me write a formula to find the date of the second sunday
> in a given month?
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> ~~ Message posted from http://www.ExcelTip.com/
> ~~View and post usenet messages directly from http://www.ExcelForum.com/
>

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bob.phillips1 (6510)
1/20/2004 10:09:26 PM
```Totally gone. This is the post from then - no wonder it looked familiar.

"Bob Phillips" <bob.phillips@notheretiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%23bUiWI63DHA.536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> David,
>
> You asked this question on 27th Nov 2003, and this is the answer I gave
> then.
>
> Assuming you have a date in A1, this gives the 2nd Sunday of that date
>
> DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)+MOD(8-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)),7)+7
>
> --
>

```
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bob.phillips1 (6510)
1/20/2004 10:23:39 PM
```
I hate when that happens...

<vbg>

BTW, if you post an empty message with the subject line

cancel "The exact subject line of your message"

the news server will delete your post, and this will propagate to the
other servers.  Google may archive your faux pas in the meantime, but
you gotta leave your mark somehow!

I use this cancel thing more often than I'd care to count!!

-Mike

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:23:39 -0000, "Bob Phillips"
<bob.phillips@notheretiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>Totally gone. This is the post from then - no wonder it looked familiar.
>
>"Bob Phillips" <bob.phillips@notheretiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:%23bUiWI63DHA.536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> David,
>>
>> You asked this question on 27th Nov 2003, and this is the answer I gave
>> then.
>>
>> Assuming you have a date in A1, this gives the 2nd Sunday of that date
>>
>> DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)+MOD(8-WEEKDAY(DATE(YEAR(A1),MONTH(A1),1)),7)+7
>>
>> --
>>
>

Mike Argy
Custom Office Solutions
and Windows/UNIX applications

Please post on-topic responses to the newsgroup

```
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mikeargy (62)
1/21/2004 12:58:36 AM

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turning off formula bar
I can't remember or find how to turn off the formula bar in Excel 2003? Can someone help please. This is the bar that displays cell contents up top. Thanks! --Randy Starkey Tools>Options>View tab, uncheck Formula bar -- Kind regards, Niek Otten Microsoft MVP - Excel "Randy Starkey" <randy.starkeyNOSPAM@NOSPAMvictorychurch.com> wrote in message news:12kcghhahv0oif4@corp.supernews.com... |I can't remember or find how to turn off the formula bar in Excel 2003? Can | someone help please. This is the bar that displays cell contents up top. | | Thanks! | | --...

Report to show totals for each day of month
Greetings, I have an Excel spreadsheet that I use to capture: Column A) Day of the month (1-May, 2-May, etc.) Column B) How many clients were in residence on each day (Occupancy) Column C) Total Capacity (27) Column D) Shows a "1" if the Occupancy is 90% or more of the Total Capacity, else "0" The Totals row shows: Column B) The average Occupancy for the month Column D) Totals the times there is a "1" in Column D Is there a way for me to capture this data in a Report? I've got a query set up that uses these expressions: For AdmitDate: <=[Dat...