#### Calculating the Sum IF fields equal criteria

```I have expense fields classified as "parts" or "labor".  I need to
create a formula to look at ExpenseType fields 1-10, determine if they
are labor, and then calculate the Total fields sum of the labor field
expenses into a field called TotalLaborCost.  Then I need to do the
same process to calculate the sum of expenses classified as Parts in
the TotalPartsCost field.

Fields in the form:
"ExpenseType1" "ExpenseType2"..... (type of expense: labor or parts)
"Quantity1", "Quantity2"..... (how many of each item or how many
hours)
"Cost1" ....(what is the per unit cost)
"Total1"....(the extended price)
"TotalLaborCost" (for the sum of all the labor "Totalx" fields
"TotalPartsCost" (for the sum of all the parts "Totalx" fields

```
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serviceenvoy
4/21/2007 4:13:55 PM
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```You will need to redesign this table to get the results you want.

Whenever you have repeating fields, such as:
ExpsnseType1, ExpenseType2, Cost1, Cost2, ...
it always means you need a related table where you can have many records
instead of using many fields in this one table.

One expense can have several line items (parts or labor) in it. There is
therefore a one-to-many relation between the expense and the line items in
it. So, you need to build this as 2 tables, like this:

Expense table:
ExpenseID        AutoNumber        primary key
ExpenseDate    Date/Time            when this expense was incurred.
...

ExpenseDetail table:
ExpenseDetailID  AutoNumber    primary key
ExpenseID          Number           Which expense record is line item is
for.
ExpenseTypeID                          Labor or Parts.
Quantity              Number           how many units
UnitCost              Currency         how much each.

If that doesn't make sense, open the Northwind sample database that installs
with Access. Open the Relationships window (Tools menu), and study the
Orders and OrderDetails table. You will see that the approach is similar to
what you need.

Ultimately you will end up with a form bound to the Expense table, with a
subform bound to the ExpenseDetail table (similar to the Orders form in
Northwind.) You will create a query to use as the source for the subform.

In the query, type this expression into the Field row:
LaborCosts: CCur(IIf([ExpenseTypeID] = 'Labor', Nz([Quantity] *
[UnitCost],0), 0))
In the next column, type this expression into the Field row:
PartsCost: CCur(IIf([ExpenseTypeID = 'Labor', 0, Nz([Quantity] *
[UnitCost],0)))

Now in your form, you will be able to sum these fields to display the
totals. (Note: It is really important that you do not store these totals in
either table.)

You now have a normalized data structure that avoids 2 of the big mistakes
newbies make, i.e.:
- repeating fields, and
- storing dependent data.
starting point:

--
Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP.  Perth, Western Australia
Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html
Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org.

<serviceenvoy@gmail.com> wrote in message
>I have expense fields classified as "parts" or "labor".  I need to
> create a formula to look at ExpenseType fields 1-10, determine if they
> are labor, and then calculate the Total fields sum of the labor field
> expenses into a field called TotalLaborCost.  Then I need to do the
> same process to calculate the sum of expenses classified as Parts in
> the TotalPartsCost field.
>
> Fields in the form:
> "ExpenseType1" "ExpenseType2"..... (type of expense: labor or parts)
> "Quantity1", "Quantity2"..... (how many of each item or how many
> hours)
> "Cost1" ....(what is the per unit cost)
> "Total1"....(the extended price)
> "TotalLaborCost" (for the sum of all the labor "Totalx" fields
> "TotalPartsCost" (for the sum of all the parts "Totalx" fields

```
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Allen
4/21/2007 4:49:12 PM
```serviceenvoy@gmail.com wrote:

>I have expense fields classified as "parts" or "labor".  I need to
>create a formula to look at ExpenseType fields 1-10, determine if they
>are labor, and then calculate the Total fields sum of the labor field
>expenses into a field called TotalLaborCost.  Then I need to do the
>same process to calculate the sum of expenses classified as Parts in
>the TotalPartsCost field.
>
>Fields in the form:
>"ExpenseType1" "ExpenseType2"..... (type of expense: labor or parts)
>"Quantity1", "Quantity2"..... (how many of each item or how many
>hours)
>"Cost1" ....(what is the per unit cost)
>"Total1"....(the extended price)
>"TotalLaborCost" (for the sum of all the labor "Totalx" fields
>"TotalPartsCost" (for the sum of all the parts "Totalx" fields

Sorry, but spreadsheet calculations like that are extremely
complex in a database.  You really need to understand how to
design tables using the rules of Normalization (Google it).
One fundamental rule is that a table should not have
repeating fields like Quantity1, Quantity2, ...

Barring you ability to do that, you might have some hope of
getting a reasonable result by creating a subform based on a
query that calculates the desired totals, but it won't be
easy.

--
Marsh
MVP [MS Access]
```
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Marshall
4/21/2007 5:28:11 PM
```On Apr 21, 12:28 pm, Marshall Barton <marshbar...@wowway.com> wrote:
> serviceen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >I have expense fields classified as "parts" or "labor".  I need to
> >create a formula to look at ExpenseType fields 1-10, determine if they
> >are labor, and then calculate the Total fields sum of the labor field
> >expenses into a field called TotalLaborCost.  Then I need to do the
> >same process to calculate the sum of expenses classified as Parts in
> >the TotalPartsCost field.
>
> >Fields in the form:
> >"ExpenseType1" "ExpenseType2"..... (type of expense: labor or parts)
> >"Quantity1", "Quantity2"..... (how many of each item or how many
> >hours)
> >"Cost1" ....(what is the per unit cost)
> >"Total1"....(the extended price)
> >"TotalLaborCost" (for the sum of all the labor "Totalx" fields
> >"TotalPartsCost" (for the sum of all the parts "Totalx" fields
>
> Sorry, but spreadsheet calculations like that are extremely
> complex in a database.  You really need to understand how to
> design tables using the rules of Normalization (Google it).
> One fundamental rule is that a table should not have
> repeating fields like Quantity1, Quantity2, ...
>
> Barring you ability to do that, you might have some hope of
> getting a reasonable result by creating a subform based on a
> query that calculates the desired totals, but it won't be
> easy.
>
> --
> Marsh
> MVP [MS Access]

I am a novice so I guess I don't understand some of the dangers of
doing things the way I'm attempting.  I need to track expenses of each
record so I don't understand why I can't store the total expenses in
that record.  I'm also not sure how to setup a subform as you both
have suggested.  Please explain to a beginner.

```
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serviceenvoy
4/21/2007 8:27:39 PM
```serviceenvoy@gmail.com wrote:

>On Apr 21, 12:28 pm, Marshall Barton wrote:
>> serviceen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >I have expense fields classified as "parts" or "labor".  I need to
>> >create a formula to look at ExpenseType fields 1-10, determine if they
>> >are labor, and then calculate the Total fields sum of the labor field
>> >expenses into a field called TotalLaborCost.  Then I need to do the
>> >same process to calculate the sum of expenses classified as Parts in
>> >the TotalPartsCost field.
>>
>> >Fields in the form:
>> >"ExpenseType1" "ExpenseType2"..... (type of expense: labor or parts)
>> >"Quantity1", "Quantity2"..... (how many of each item or how many
>> >hours)
>> >"Cost1" ....(what is the per unit cost)
>> >"Total1"....(the extended price)
>> >"TotalLaborCost" (for the sum of all the labor "Totalx" fields
>> >"TotalPartsCost" (for the sum of all the parts "Totalx" fields
>>
>> Sorry, but spreadsheet calculations like that are extremely
>> complex in a database.  You really need to understand how to
>> design tables using the rules of Normalization (Google it).
>> One fundamental rule is that a table should not have
>> repeating fields like Quantity1, Quantity2, ...
>>
>> Barring you ability to do that, you might have some hope of
>> getting a reasonable result by creating a subform based on a
>> query that calculates the desired totals, but it won't be
>> easy.
>>
>
>I am a novice so I guess I don't understand some of the dangers of
>doing things the way I'm attempting.  I need to track expenses of each
>record so I don't understand why I can't store the total expenses in
>that record.  I'm also not sure how to setup a subform as you both
>have suggested.

Another rule of relational databases is to never store data
that can be recalculated from other values.  This kind of
total should be calculated in a query so it is is guaranteed
to be correct whenever the query runs.

Using a subform on this kind of table structure would just
be a hack at best and, as I said before, it will not be
easy. Very few people have extensive experience doing things
the wrong way so detailed help is not readily available.

Allen provided a nice explanation of how you might
profitably start a normalized design of your data.  I am
sure your time, energy and learning curve would be much
better served by pursuing a better table structure than
figuring out a messy workaround that will do nothing to help
deal with the innumerable other problems your current
structure will cause.

--
Marsh
MVP [MS Access]
```
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Marshall
4/21/2007 11:16:50 PM
```On Apr 21, 6:16 pm, Marshall Barton <marshbar...@wowway.com> wrote:
> serviceen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Apr 21, 12:28 pm, Marshall Barton wrote:
> >> serviceen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >I have expense fields classified as "parts" or "labor".  I need to
> >> >create a formula to look at ExpenseType fields 1-10, determine if they
> >> >are labor, and then calculate the Total fields sum of the labor field
> >> >expenses into a field called TotalLaborCost.  Then I need to do the
> >> >same process to calculate the sum of expenses classified as Parts in
> >> >the TotalPartsCost field.
>
> >> >Fields in the form:
> >> >"ExpenseType1" "ExpenseType2"..... (type of expense: labor or parts)
> >> >"Quantity1", "Quantity2"..... (how many of each item or how many
> >> >hours)
> >> >"Cost1" ....(what is the per unit cost)
> >> >"Total1"....(the extended price)
> >> >"TotalLaborCost" (for the sum of all the labor "Totalx" fields
> >> >"TotalPartsCost" (for the sum of all the parts "Totalx" fields
>
> >> Sorry, but spreadsheet calculations like that are extremely
> >> complex in a database.  You really need to understand how to
> >> design tables using the rules of Normalization (Google it).
> >> One fundamental rule is that a table should not have
> >> repeating fields like Quantity1, Quantity2, ...
>
> >> Barring you ability to do that, you might have some hope of
> >> getting a reasonable result by creating a subform based on a
> >> query that calculates the desired totals, but it won't be
> >> easy.
>
> >I am a novice so I guess I don't understand some of the dangers of
> >doing things the way I'm attempting.  I need to track expenses of each
> >record so I don't understand why I can't store the total expenses in
> >that record.  I'm also not sure how to setup a subform as you both
> >have suggested.
>
> Another rule of relational databases is to never store data
> that can be recalculated from other values.  This kind of
> total should be calculated in a query so it is is guaranteed
> to be correct whenever the query runs.
>
> Using a subform on this kind of table structure would just
> be a hack at best and, as I said before, it will not be
> easy. Very few people have extensive experience doing things
> the wrong way so detailed help is not readily available.
>
> Allen provided a nice explanation of how you might
> profitably start a normalized design of your data.  I am
> sure your time, energy and learning curve would be much
> better served by pursuing a better table structure than
> figuring out a messy workaround that will do nothing to help
> deal with the innumerable other problems your current
> structure will cause.
>
> --
> Marsh
> MVP [MS Access]

Well, now I am really confused.  You recommended what Allen said but
then told me I shouldn't use a subform.  Allens subform seemed like
overkill for what I want.  Let's start from scratch.  I'll explain
what I want to accomplish and you tell me the best way and how to
create it.

We have individual records for each service call we run.  Each record
has multiple expenses broken down into labor or parts.  There might be
3 different labor expenses and may be 5 different parts expenses and
each one must be listed seperately to ensure we reimburse various
involved parties.  Since we reimburse others for parts & labor we have
no inventory and the price for the same part/labor varies every time
we pay for it.  Because this varies so much I don't know that using a
subform is feasible.  I need to be able to determine the total amount
of parts and the total amount of labor spent on every record.  I
already have a field that calculates the extended price of each
expense line (lines 1-10)(all related fields are progressively called
QTY1, COST1, TOTAL1, then 2, 3, etc.).  I just need to have a query or
something that looks at all the expense fields, and adds the extended
price for all the expenses marked parts and show me the total in a
field called TotalPartsCost.  Then the same for all the labor
your solution as well as the solution itself.  I'm open to doing it
the best way for the long term health of my database assuming I
understand what the heck you're telling me.

```
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serviceenvoy
4/22/2007 3:01:04 PM
```serviceenvoy@gmail.com wrote:

>On Apr 21, 6:16 pm, Marshall Barton  wrote:
>> serviceen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >On Apr 21, 12:28 pm, Marshall Barton wrote:
>> >> serviceen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >I have expense fields classified as "parts" or "labor".  I need to
>> >> >create a formula to look at ExpenseType fields 1-10, determine if they
>> >> >are labor, and then calculate the Total fields sum of the labor field
>> >> >expenses into a field called TotalLaborCost.  Then I need to do the
>> >> >same process to calculate the sum of expenses classified as Parts in
>> >> >the TotalPartsCost field.
>>
>> >> >Fields in the form:
>> >> >"ExpenseType1" "ExpenseType2"..... (type of expense: labor or parts)
>> >> >"Quantity1", "Quantity2"..... (how many of each item or how many
>> >> >hours)
>> >> >"Cost1" ....(what is the per unit cost)
>> >> >"Total1"....(the extended price)
>> >> >"TotalLaborCost" (for the sum of all the labor "Totalx" fields
>> >> >"TotalPartsCost" (for the sum of all the parts "Totalx" fields
>>
>> >> Sorry, but spreadsheet calculations like that are extremely
>> >> complex in a database.  You really need to understand how to
>> >> design tables using the rules of Normalization (Google it).
>> >> One fundamental rule is that a table should not have
>> >> repeating fields like Quantity1, Quantity2, ...
>>
>> >> Barring you ability to do that, you might have some hope of
>> >> getting a reasonable result by creating a subform based on a
>> >> query that calculates the desired totals, but it won't be
>> >> easy.
>>
>> >I am a novice so I guess I don't understand some of the dangers of
>> >doing things the way I'm attempting.  I need to track expenses of each
>> >record so I don't understand why I can't store the total expenses in
>> >that record.  I'm also not sure how to setup a subform as you both
>> >have suggested.
>>
>> Another rule of relational databases is to never store data
>> that can be recalculated from other values.  This kind of
>> total should be calculated in a query so it is is guaranteed
>> to be correct whenever the query runs.
>>
>> Using a subform on this kind of table structure would just
>> be a hack at best and, as I said before, it will not be
>> easy. Very few people have extensive experience doing things
>> the wrong way so detailed help is not readily available.
>>
>> Allen provided a nice explanation of how you might
>> profitably start a normalized design of your data.  I am
>> sure your time, energy and learning curve would be much
>> better served by pursuing a better table structure than
>> figuring out a messy workaround that will do nothing to help
>> deal with the innumerable other problems your current
>> structure will cause.
>>
>
>Well, now I am really confused.  You recommended what Allen said but
>then told me I shouldn't use a subform.  Allens subform seemed like
>overkill for what I want.  Let's start from scratch.  I'll explain
>what I want to accomplish and you tell me the best way and how to
>create it.
>
>We have individual records for each service call we run.  Each record
>has multiple expenses broken down into labor or parts.  There might be
>3 different labor expenses and may be 5 different parts expenses and
>each one must be listed seperately to ensure we reimburse various
>involved parties.  Since we reimburse others for parts & labor we have
>no inventory and the price for the same part/labor varies every time
>we pay for it.  Because this varies so much I don't know that using a
>subform is feasible.  I need to be able to determine the total amount
>of parts and the total amount of labor spent on every record.  I
>already have a field that calculates the extended price of each
>expense line (lines 1-10)(all related fields are progressively called
>QTY1, COST1, TOTAL1, then 2, 3, etc.).  I just need to have a query or
>something that looks at all the expense fields, and adds the extended
>price for all the expenses marked parts and show me the total in a
>field called TotalPartsCost.  Then the same for all the labor
>your solution as well as the solution itself.  I'm open to doing it
>the best way for the long term health of my database assuming I
>understand what the heck you're telling me.

table structure got confused with Allen's idea of using a
Normalized table structure and a subform.  The core issus is
not the use of a subform, but the proper structure of your
data tables.  If you don't get rid of the multiple cost and
total fields in a single table, you will have a terrible
time making a useful application.

for each separate "entity" (ExpenseType, ExpenseDetail,
etc), then the use of subforms is a natural consequence that
parallels the tables.

It would be benificial for you to take some time out to do
some homework re Normalization.  You can get a brief
overview at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/283878/en-us
For more extensive discussions use Google and concentrate on
just the first three normal forms of relational databases.
I just searched for:  Relational Normal Forms
and quickly found this nice article (of more than a million)
http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/intro-to-normalization.html

--
Marsh
MVP [MS Access]
```
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Marshall
4/22/2007 4:36:17 PM

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In my main form (frmMain) there are several text fields that utilize the hyperlinks option. Each hyperlink brings up a different popup form which are all copies of each other with the only difference being the content of a label. Ideally I would like to utilize a single popup form and programically change the label to reflect some type of phrase indicative to the text box in frmMain. Is there a easy way to do this? In your code opening the popup, change the Caption property of the label. -- Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP http://www.datastrat.com http://www.accessmvp.com http://www....

Criteria Row
Good afternoon, I have a question problem that I can't seem to solve. It primarily regards the usage of "and" and "or". I have a table that looks like the following: www,4,rrr, 1,2,3,4 xxx,4,eee,0,3,6,7 yyy,4,fff,0,0,0,0 zzz, 4,ddd,40,40,40,40 ggg,4,jjj,4,0,7,0 kkk,4,ddd,51,8,0,9 What I would like to do is select all rows with non zero values less than 50 in the 4th, 5th, 6th , and 7th column. In the above example I would want the www, xxx, zzz, and ggg rows because all the values are not zero and none of the values are greater than 50. I do not want yyy because th...

Autofill Regarding Field in Follow-up tasks
I am trying to create follow-up tasks from an appointment that I had and they do not automatically associate with the appointment. i.e. every new task I create is not regarding the appointment or anything else for that matter. I would like this to automatically be populated for each follow-up, but still have the option of changing it if I want to relate it to an opportunity or a campaign(campaign activity). Any advice would be great. Sample coding would be best. THANKS! I would like to know how to auto-fill the "sender" of phone calls to be the same as the owner of the task...

Can't trim white space from large varchar field
Hi, I am reading two very large varchar fields (2600) from the sql server 2005 database of our ERP. This reading is being done by a cursor. In the cursor select statement I rtrim and ltrim the field. No matter what I do the length of the field is always 2600. I can see that there is some sort of white space to the right of the text. Whatever that white space is, it can't be trimmed by ltrim or rtrim. I tried running the sql from the cursor as a query and had the same problem. Any help would be appreciate it. fig000 If you do a RTrim of a varchar column, the...

field not by that name
the following piece of code is intended to requery a subform (frmcustomerlist) after a new customer is added. The following error occurs -- there is not field named forms!frmsearchkeynamedoslook!frmcustomerlist in the current record when this code is reached docmd.requery "forms!frmsearchkeynamedoslook!fromcustomerlist It is true there is not a field by that name because that is the subform i am wanting to requery. I even tried forms!frmsearchkeynamedoslook and the same error occured -- there is not a field named forms!frmsearchkeynamedoslook what am I missing. ...

Caption Criteria
Is it possible to set the caption property of a form based on criteria selected from several other forms? eg: from a Categories form, I click a cmd button to open a results form displaying records for the chosen category and set the results form caption to that category (this works ok for single caption criteria) as well as from a payees form, open the same results form and set the caption to the selected payee. In other words, set the caption to various other form criteria. Thanks in advance. -- Don, Sydney Australia You can programatically set the form's caption to whatever you ...

parse data from text field
I currently have a field in a form that contains the exact path to files stored on my computer (ex. C:\file1\file2\file3\samplefile.doc). The path to the file is different for most of the files. I have changed some things in the database and I would like to parse just the file name and extension (ex. samplefile.doc). I have tried the Mid, Left, Right, and InStr functions but I have not been able to get the desired data. Any help with code to parse the data correctly would be appreciated. The names of files are not equal in length. Thank you accessuser1308, You kinda ...