Unidentified Start-up list items

I find items whose identity is not clear.
Such as:

ALCMTR
RTHDCPL
RECGUARD
dumprep 0-k

How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
active or not?

And how can I permanently remove items I don't
need or want?
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William
11/16/2009 12:11:00 PM
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William B. Lurie wrote:
> dumprep 0-k

I use  http://www.ask.com/  as my search engine:

ALCMTR
http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/alcmtr/

RTHDCPL
http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/rthdcpl/

RECGUARD
http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/recguard/

dumprep 0-k
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/dumprep.exe-1449.html

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/16/2009 1:46:17 PM
Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google and do 
some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.

-- 

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience & Security


"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message 
news:%23lWodXrZKHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I find items whose identity is not clear.
> Such as:
>
> ALCMTR
> RTHDCPL
> RECGUARD
> dumprep 0-k
>
> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
> active or not?
>
> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
> need or want? 

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Richard
11/16/2009 3:24:05 PM
Richard Urban wrote:
> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google and 
> do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
> 
Thanks and hello again, Richard.

My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
from showing in the list.
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William
11/16/2009 3:42:14 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> I find items whose identity is not clear.
> Such as:
>
> ALCMTR
> RTHDCPL
> RECGUARD
> dumprep 0-k
>
> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
> active or not?
>
> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
> need or want?

Richard Urban wrote:
> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.

William B. Lurie wrote:
> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
> from showing in the list.

MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually removing 
them by either using the application itself to set the proper settings 
prevening it from starting at Windows startup or logon and/or editing the 
proper location (startup folder, registry location, etc) to remove it.

-- 
Shenan Stanley
     MS-MVP
-- 
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 


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Shenan
11/16/2009 5:41:20 PM
Shenan Stanley wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>> Such as:
>>
>> ALCMTR
>> RTHDCPL
>> RECGUARD
>> dumprep 0-k
>>
>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>> active or not?
>>
>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>> need or want?
> 
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
> 
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>> from showing in the list.
> 
> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually removing 
> them by either using the application itself to set the proper settings 
> prevening it from starting at Windows startup or logon and/or editing the 
> proper location (startup folder, registry location, etc) to remove it.
> 
Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
help.
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William
11/16/2009 5:54:42 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>> Such as:
>>>
>>> ALCMTR
>>> RTHDCPL
>>> RECGUARD
>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>
>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>> active or not?
>>>
>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>> need or want?
>>
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>> from showing in the list.
>>
>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually 
>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the proper 
>> settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or logon and/or 
>> editing the proper location (startup folder, registry location, etc) 
>> to remove it.
>>
> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
> help.

Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
look next?




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William
11/17/2009 12:22:34 AM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>> Such as:
>>>>
>>>> ALCMTR
>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>> RECGUARD
>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>
>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>> active or not?
>>>>
>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>> need or want?
>>>
>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>
>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>
>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>> help.
>
> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
> look next?
>
>
>
>

Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/17/2009 3:24:36 AM
JD wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>
>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>
>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>> need or want?
>>>>
>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>>
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>
>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>
>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>> help.
>>
>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>> look next?
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?
> 
I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
know where else to look......
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William
11/17/2009 3:41:22 AM
Q&A
 dumprep 0-k   And how can I permanently remove items I don't
Go TO My Computer
Go TO View System information
in System Properties
Go TO Advanced
in Advanced
Go To Error Reporting
Disable error reporting (put OK)

am I right or wrong
will it or not stop  dumprep. For is it not for Error Reporting to be Send 
to Microsoft
if yes

we need
Q&A
FOR
ALCMTR
 RTHDCPL
RECGUARD


"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:eob0QQuZKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>> Such as:
>>
>> ALCMTR
>> RTHDCPL
>> RECGUARD
>> dumprep 0-k
>>
>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>> active or not?
>>
>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>> need or want?
>
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>> from showing in the list.
>
> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually removing 
> them by either using the application itself to set the proper settings 
> prevening it from starting at Windows startup or logon and/or editing the 
> proper location (startup folder, registry location, etc) to remove it.
>
> -- 
> Shenan Stanley
>     MS-MVP
> -- 
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
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Hot
11/17/2009 7:20:35 AM
If you are showing Zone Labs in your Msconfig startup list the entry should 
consist of more than simply 'Program Files/Zone Labs' - there would be a 
'startup Item', Command, and Location

The origonal 3 processess you listed were installed by HP in its config of 
your PC

And was there a particular reason you initially explored msconfig and the 
startup list?

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message 
news:OfyhVfzZKHA.4688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> JD wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>>>
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>> help.
>>>
>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>> look next?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?
>>
> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
> know where else to look...... 


0
DL
11/17/2009 8:21:39 AM
English, please - reasonably coherent English.


"Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:ejOfU20ZKHA.2160@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Q&A
> dumprep 0-k   And how can I permanently remove items I don't
> Go TO My Computer
> Go TO View System information
> in System Properties
> Go TO Advanced
> in Advanced
> Go To Error Reporting
> Disable error reporting (put OK)
>
> am I right or wrong
> will it or not stop  dumprep. For is it not for Error Reporting to be Send 
> to Microsoft
> if yes
>
> we need
> Q&A
> FOR
> ALCMTR
> RTHDCPL
> RECGUARD
>
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:eob0QQuZKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>> Such as:
>>>
>>> ALCMTR
>>> RTHDCPL
>>> RECGUARD
>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>
>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>> active or not?
>>>
>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>> need or want?
>>
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>> from showing in the list.
>>
>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually removing 
>> them by either using the application itself to set the proper settings 
>> prevening it from starting at Windows startup or logon and/or editing the 
>> proper location (startup folder, registry location, etc) to remove it.
>>
>> -- 
>> Shenan Stanley
>>     MS-MVP
>> -- 
>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>> 


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Ol
11/17/2009 9:32:12 AM
DL, the entry in Startup list doesn't start with HK etcetera like a
registry item. It starts SOFTWARE\Microsoft etcetera......

The reason I go to MSCONFIG is that I want to stop
miscellaneous programs that I will call and load when
I want to use them, from cluttering up my Task Manager
list. Especially programs loaded by some other download
that I might have installed and didn't want....like Zone
Alarm.

DL wrote:
> If you are showing Zone Labs in your Msconfig startup list the entry should 
> consist of more than simply 'Program Files/Zone Labs' - there would be a 
> 'startup Item', Command, and Location
> 
> The origonal 3 processess you listed were installed by HP in its config of 
> your PC
> 
> And was there a particular reason you initially explored msconfig and the 
> startup list?
> 
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message 
> news:OfyhVfzZKHA.4688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> JD wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>> help.
>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>> look next?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?
>>>
>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>> know where else to look...... 
> 
> 
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William
11/17/2009 12:28:39 PM
On Nov 16, 12:54=A0pm, "William B. Lurie" <billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
> > William B. Lurie wrote:
> >> I find items whose identity is not clear.
> >> Such as:
>
> >> ALCMTR
> >> RTHDCPL
> >> RECGUARD
> >> dumprep 0-k
>
> >> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
> >> active or not?
>
> >> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
> >> need or want?
>
> > Richard Urban wrote:
> >> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
> >> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>
> > William B. Lurie wrote:
> >> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
> >> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
> >> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
> >> from showing in the list.
>
> > MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually removin=
g
> > them by either using the application itself to set the proper settings
> > prevening it from starting at Windows startup or logon and/or editing t=
he
> > proper location (startup folder, registry location, etc) to remove it.
>
> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
> help.


If you have items in the tab that are unchecked and you have no
intention of ever enabling them and the mere presence of items that
are unchecked is annoying (this includes the Services tab), the items
are easy to delete from the tabs and you can do that with or without
editing the registry.

Or, just maintain a completely empty Startup tab like me.  No
unnecessary startup items to slow you down.  Sometimes I have to
wonder if msconfig is even working.

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Jose
11/17/2009 12:56:53 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>>>
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>> help.
>>>
>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>> look next?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?
>>
> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
> know where else to look......

Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and 
more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the entry. So 
I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very 
often.  8-)

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/17/2009 1:27:57 PM
JD wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> JD wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>> look next?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?
>>>
>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>> know where else to look......
> 
> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and 
> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
> 
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
> 
> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the entry. So 
> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very 
> often.  8-)
> 
Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
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William
11/17/2009 2:16:25 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> JD wrote:
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>> help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>> look next?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>> firewall?
>>>>
>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>> know where else to look......
>>
>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and
>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>
>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the entry.
>> So I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>> often. 8-)
>>
> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.

I believe Autoruns will let you remove the entry from MSconfig.

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/17/2009 3:35:12 PM
JD wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> JD wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>> look next?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?
>>>
>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>> know where else to look......
> 
> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and 
> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
> 
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
> 
> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the entry. So 
> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very 
> often.  8-)
> 
Yes, indeed, JS .... Autoruns is very interesting. I tried it, let it 
try to find 'zlclient' which is identified as a Zone Lans item.....
I clicked Find and put 'zl' in the window......and it couldn't find
anything/ Thanks, and I'll go back to "Plan B".....(I'll live with it).
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William
11/17/2009 5:56:42 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> DL, the entry in Startup list doesn't start with HK etcetera like a
> registry item. It starts SOFTWARE\Microsoft etcetera......
>
> The reason I go to MSCONFIG is that I want to stop
> miscellaneous programs that I will call and load when
> I want to use them, from cluttering up my Task Manager
> list. Especially programs loaded by some other download
> that I might have installed and didn't want....like Zone
> Alarm.


Zone Alarm can be tough. Did you run the ZA Removal Tool? For more info:

http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/848271-solved-zone-alarm-problems.html 


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Daave
11/17/2009 7:58:04 PM
Daave wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> DL, the entry in Startup list doesn't start with HK etcetera like a
>> registry item. It starts SOFTWARE\Microsoft etcetera......
>>
>> The reason I go to MSCONFIG is that I want to stop
>> miscellaneous programs that I will call and load when
>> I want to use them, from cluttering up my Task Manager
>> list. Especially programs loaded by some other download
>> that I might have installed and didn't want....like Zone
>> Alarm.
> 
> 
> Zone Alarm can be tough. Did you run the ZA Removal Tool? For more info:
> 
> http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/848271-solved-zone-alarm-problems.html 
> 
> 
Thanks for the link. I'll give it a try.
I hate programs that leave garbage behind when you
uninstall them.
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William
11/17/2009 8:28:47 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> Daave wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> DL, the entry in Startup list doesn't start with HK etcetera like a
>>> registry item. It starts SOFTWARE\Microsoft etcetera......
>>>
>>> The reason I go to MSCONFIG is that I want to stop
>>> miscellaneous programs that I will call and load when
>>> I want to use them, from cluttering up my Task Manager
>>> list. Especially programs loaded by some other download
>>> that I might have installed and didn't want....like Zone
>>> Alarm.
>>
>>
>> Zone Alarm can be tough. Did you run the ZA Removal Tool? For more
>> info: 
>> http://forums.techguy.org/all-other-software/848271-solved-zone-alarm-problems.html
>>
>>
> Thanks for the link. I'll give it a try.

YW.

> I hate programs that leave garbage behind when you
> uninstall them.

You and me, both. 


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Daave
11/17/2009 11:32:17 PM
On Nov 17, 9:16=A0am, "William B. Lurie" <billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
> JD wrote:
> > William B. Lurie wrote:
> >> JD wrote:
> >>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
> >>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
> >>>>>>> Such as:
>
> >>>>>>> ALCMTR
> >>>>>>> RTHDCPL
> >>>>>>> RECGUARD
> >>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>
> >>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
> >>>>>>> active or not?
>
> >>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
> >>>>>>> need or want?
>
> >>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
> >>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or goog=
le
> >>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about the=
m.
>
> >>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
> >>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
> >>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
> >>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>
> >>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
> >>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
> >>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
> >>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
> >>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>
> >>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
> >>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
> >>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
> >>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
> >>>>> help.
>
> >>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
> >>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
> >>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
> >>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
> >>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
> >>>> look next?
>
> >>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewa=
ll?
>
> >> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
> >> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
> >> know where else to look......
>
> > Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and
> > more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>
> >http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>
> > Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the entry. S=
o
> > I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
> > often. =A08-)
>
> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.

Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
rechecks later.

Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to.  There is no
- Autoruns might let you...

It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
Autoruns.

Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
display an empty item.

If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
permanently.  There is no reason to live with it.

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Jose
11/18/2009 2:57:35 PM
Jose wrote:
> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net>  wrote:
>> JD wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>
>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>
>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>
>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>
>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or google
>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about them.
>>
>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>
>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>
>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>> help.
>>
>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>> look next?
>>
>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your firewall?
>>
>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>> know where else to look......
>>
>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and
>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>
>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the entry. So
>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>> often.  8-)
>>
>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>
> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
> rechecks later.
>
> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to.  There is no
> - Autoruns might let you...
>
> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
> Autoruns.
>
> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
> display an empty item.
>
> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
> permanently.  There is no reason to live with it.
>

I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking is 
how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that he 
doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.

In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:

Startup Item is  Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
Command is  D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
Location is Common Startup

How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?

I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such 
items from MSconfig.

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/18/2009 4:56:58 PM
JD wrote:
> Jose wrote:
>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net>  wrote:
>>> JD wrote:
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or 
>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about 
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder, registry
>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>> help.
>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>> look next?
>>>
>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your 
>>>>>> firewall?
>>>
>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>> know where else to look......
>>>
>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and
>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>>
>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>>
>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the 
>>>> entry. So
>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>>> often.  8-)
>>>
>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>
>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>> rechecks later.
>>
>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to.  There is no
>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>
>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>> Autoruns.
>>
>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>> display an empty item.
>>
>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>> permanently.  There is no reason to live with it.
>>
> 
> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking is 
> how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that he 
> doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
> 
> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
> 
> Startup Item is  Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
> Command is  D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
> Location is Common Startup
> 
> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
> 
> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such 
> items from MSconfig.
> 
JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is 
unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have searched
every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
find it.  If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
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William
11/18/2009 5:09:00 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> Jose wrote:
>>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
>>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about
>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
>>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>>> look next?
>>>>
>>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>>>>> firewall?
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>>> know where else to look......
>>>>
>>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and
>>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>>>
>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
>>>>> entry. So
>>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>>>> often. 8-)
>>>>
>>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>>
>>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>>> rechecks later.
>>>
>>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There is no
>>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>>
>>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
>>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>>> Autoruns.
>>>
>>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>>> display an empty item.
>>>
>>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>>>
>>
>> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
>> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
>> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>>
>> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>>
>> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
>> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
>> Location is Common Startup
>>
>> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>>
>> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
>> items from MSconfig.
>>
> JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
> unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
> I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have searched
> every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
> find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.

My notes say:

Remove Old Entries In MSConfig

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg

http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm

I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/18/2009 7:56:26 PM
JD wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> JD wrote:
>>> Jose wrote:
>>>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
>>>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about
>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
>>>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>>>> look next?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>>>>>> firewall?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>>>> know where else to look......
>>>>>
>>>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
>>>>>> entry. So
>>>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>>>>> often. 8-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>>>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>>>> rechecks later.
>>>>
>>>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>>>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There is no
>>>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>>>
>>>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
>>>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>>>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>>>> Autoruns.
>>>>
>>>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>>>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>>>> display an empty item.
>>>>
>>>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>>>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
>>> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
>>> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>>>
>>> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>>>
>>> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
>>> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
>>> Location is Common Startup
>>>
>>> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>>>
>>> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
>>> items from MSconfig.
>>>
>> JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
>> unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
>> I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have searched
>> every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
>> find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
> 
> My notes say:
> 
> Remove Old Entries In MSConfig
> 
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder
> 
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg
> 
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm
> 
> I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.
> 
BANZAI!!!! That last .mvps.org referral was easy to use
and it got rid of the Zone Labs entry.
Thanks a bunch!!!!!
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William
11/19/2009 12:31:34 AM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> JD wrote:
>>>> Jose wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> startup or
>>>>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>>>>> look next?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>>>>>>> firewall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>>>>> know where else to look......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up
>>>>>>> items and
>>>>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
>>>>>>> entry. So
>>>>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>>>>>> often. 8-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>>>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>>>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>>>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>>>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>>>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>>>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>>>>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>>>>> rechecks later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>>>>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There is no
>>>>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>>>>
>>>>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
>>>>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>>>>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>>>>> Autoruns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>>>>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>>>>> display an empty item.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>>>>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
>>>> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
>>>> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>>>>
>>>> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>>>>
>>>> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
>>>> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
>>>> Location is Common Startup
>>>>
>>>> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
>>>> items from MSconfig.
>>>>
>>> JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
>>> unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
>>> I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have searched
>>> every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
>>> find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
>>
>> My notes say:
>>
>> Remove Old Entries In MSConfig
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg
>>
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm
>>
>> I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.
>>
> BANZAI!!!! That last .mvps.org referral was easy to use
> and it got rid of the Zone Labs entry.
> Thanks a bunch!!!!!

Could you explain what you did? My research seems to indicate that I 
should Export the setting and then save that as a .reg file and then 
delete the key and it's gone. What did you do?

And what happened to Jose?

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/19/2009 2:38:35 AM
JD wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> JD wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>> Jose wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> manually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>>>>>> look next?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>>>>>>>> firewall?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>>>>>> know where else to look......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up
>>>>>>>> items and
>>>>>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
>>>>>>>> entry. So
>>>>>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>>>>>>> often. 8-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>>>>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>>>>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>>>>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>>>>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>>>>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>>>>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>>>>>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>>>>>> rechecks later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>>>>>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There is no
>>>>>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
>>>>>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>>>>>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>>>>>> Autoruns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>>>>>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>>>>>> display an empty item.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>>>>>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
>>>>> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
>>>>> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>>>>>
>>>>> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
>>>>> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
>>>>> Location is Common Startup
>>>>>
>>>>> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
>>>>> items from MSconfig.
>>>>>
>>>> JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
>>>> unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
>>>> I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have 
>>>> searched
>>>> every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
>>>> find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
>>>
>>> My notes say:
>>>
>>> Remove Old Entries In MSConfig
>>>
>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared 
>>> Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder
>>>
>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg
>>>
>>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm
>>>
>>> I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.
>>>
>> BANZAI!!!! That last .mvps.org referral was easy to use
>> and it got rid of the Zone Labs entry.
>> Thanks a bunch!!!!!
> 
> Could you explain what you did? My research seems to indicate that I 
> should Export the setting and then save that as a .reg file and then 
> delete the key and it's gone. What did you do?
> 
> And what happened to Jose?
> 
I just did start/run/msconfig/regedit and went to the HKEYs and expanded
and when I saw Zone Labs I believe I right clicked, selected Delete
from the dropdown, and then exited. When I went back and looked
at the Startup items list, the zl idem had disappeared.
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William
11/19/2009 3:41:52 AM
On Nov 18, 2:56=A0pm, JD <J...@example.invalid> wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
> > JD wrote:
> >> Jose wrote:
> >>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>> JD wrote:
> >>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>>> JD wrote:
> >>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
> >>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
> >>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
> >>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
> >>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
> >>>>>>>>>>> google
> >>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about
> >>>>>>>>>>> them.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
> >>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delet=
e
> >>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
> >>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manuall=
y
> >>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set th=
e
> >>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup =
or
> >>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
> >>>>>>>>>> registry
> >>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
> >>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
> >>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
> >>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
> >>>>>>>>> help.
>
> >>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
> >>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
> >>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
> >>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
> >>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
> >>>>>>>> look next?
>
> >>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
> >>>>>>> firewall?
>
> >>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
> >>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
> >>>>>> know where else to look......
>
> >>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items =
and
> >>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>
> >>>>>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>
> >>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
> >>>>> entry. So
> >>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
> >>>>> often. 8-)
>
> >>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
> >>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
> >>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
> >>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
> >>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
> >>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
> >>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>
> >>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
> >>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
> >>> rechecks later.
>
> >>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
> >>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There is no
> >>> - Autoruns might let you...
>
> >>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
> >>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
> >>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
> >>> Autoruns.
>
> >>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
> >>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
> >>> display an empty item.
>
> >>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
> >>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>
> >> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
> >> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
> >> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>
> >> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>
> >> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
> >> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
> >> Location is Common Startup
>
> >> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>
> >> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
> >> items from MSconfig.
>
> > JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
> > unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
> > I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have searche=
d
> > every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
> > find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
>
> My notes say:
>
> Remove Old Entries In MSConfig
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg
>
> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm
>
> I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.
>
> --
> =A0 JD..

Removing those registry entries will do it.    My Startup tab is
completely empty and I remember deleting some unchecked Adobe junk
from there using that method.

Of course the items that are checked to run will not show up there -
just the unchecked ones including the Startup Folder, etc.

Look in msconfig and regedit at the same time, check/uncheck things in
msconfig, watch and refresh the registry as things move around,
disappear, etc.

For the - I'm scared of the registry type person, here is a third
party tool that does the same thing and can be uninstalled after
things are cleaned up:

http://www.get-in-control.com/msconfig-cleanup/

I like Autoruns just fine, but it will not doesn't know this about
unchecked items, but it is not supposed to.

People tend to use msconfig as a startup manager and you can always
tell the msconfig meddlers!

There is also a Startup Programs display in msinfo32, which is
sometimes broken (shows way too much junk), you can't change anything,
but you can display and locate.  If the msinfo32 Startup Program list
overpopulates with hundreds and hundreds of lines of junk and just
your few Startup items, it is broken and can be fixed easily too.  It
is not detrimental, but annoying and frightening when people start
poking around in msinfo32 (after I request their system information)
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Jose
11/19/2009 12:03:14 PM
William B. Lurie wrote:
> JD wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> JD wrote:
>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>> Jose wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>>>>>>> look next?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>>>>>>>>> firewall?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>>>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>>>>>>> know where else to look......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up
>>>>>>>>> items and
>>>>>>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
>>>>>>>>> entry. So
>>>>>>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> often. 8-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>>>>>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>>>>>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>>>>>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>>>>>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>>>>>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>>>>>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>>>>>>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>>>>>>> rechecks later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>>>>>>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There
>>>>>>> is no
>>>>>>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in
>>>>>>> msconfig
>>>>>>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>>>>>>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>>>>>>> Autoruns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>>>>>>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>>>>>>> display an empty item.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>>>>>>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
>>>>>> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
>>>>>> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
>>>>>> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
>>>>>> Location is Common Startup
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
>>>>>> items from MSconfig.
>>>>>>
>>>>> JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
>>>>> unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
>>>>> I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have
>>>>> searched
>>>>> every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
>>>>> find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
>>>>
>>>> My notes say:
>>>>
>>>> Remove Old Entries In MSConfig
>>>>
>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared
>>>> Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder
>>>>
>>>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg
>>>>
>>>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.
>>>>
>>> BANZAI!!!! That last .mvps.org referral was easy to use
>>> and it got rid of the Zone Labs entry.
>>> Thanks a bunch!!!!!
>>
>> Could you explain what you did? My research seems to indicate that I
>> should Export the setting and then save that as a .reg file and then
>> delete the key and it's gone. What did you do?
>>
>> And what happened to Jose?
>>
> I just did start/run/msconfig/regedit and went to the HKEYs and expanded
> and when I saw Zone Labs I believe I right clicked, selected Delete
> from the dropdown, and then exited. When I went back and looked
> at the Startup items list, the zl idem had disappeared.

Thanks! Goodbye useless MSconfig entries!  8-)

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/19/2009 6:25:48 PM
Jose wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2:56 pm, JD<J...@example.invalid>  wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> JD wrote:
>>>> Jose wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net>  wrote:
>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>>>>> look next?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>>>>>>> firewall?
>>
>>>>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>>>>> know where else to look......
>>
>>>>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and
>>>>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>
>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
>>>>>>> entry. So
>>>>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>>>>>> often. 8-)
>>
>>>>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>>>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>>>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>>>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>>>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>>>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>>>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>
>>>>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>>>>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>>>>> rechecks later.
>>
>>>>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>>>>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There is no
>>>>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>
>>>>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
>>>>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>>>>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>>>>> Autoruns.
>>
>>>>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>>>>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>>>>> display an empty item.
>>
>>>>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>>>>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>>
>>>> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
>>>> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
>>>> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>>
>>>> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>>
>>>> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
>>>> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
>>>> Location is Common Startup
>>
>>>> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>>
>>>> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
>>>> items from MSconfig.
>>
>>> JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
>>> unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
>>> I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have searched
>>> every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
>>> find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
>>
>> My notes say:
>>
>> Remove Old Entries In MSConfig
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg
>>
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm
>>
>> I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.
>>
>> --
>>    JD..
>
> Removing those registry entries will do it.    My Startup tab is
> completely empty and I remember deleting some unchecked Adobe junk
> from there using that method.
>
> Of course the items that are checked to run will not show up there -
> just the unchecked ones including the Startup Folder, etc.
>
> Look in msconfig and regedit at the same time, check/uncheck things in
> msconfig, watch and refresh the registry as things move around,
> disappear, etc.
>
> For the - I'm scared of the registry type person, here is a third
> party tool that does the same thing and can be uninstalled after
> things are cleaned up:
>
> http://www.get-in-control.com/msconfig-cleanup/
>
> I like Autoruns just fine, but it will not doesn't know this about
> unchecked items, but it is not supposed to.
>
> People tend to use msconfig as a startup manager and you can always
> tell the msconfig meddlers!
>
> There is also a Startup Programs display in msinfo32, which is
> sometimes broken (shows way too much junk), you can't change anything,
> but you can display and locate.  If the msinfo32 Startup Program list
> overpopulates with hundreds and hundreds of lines of junk and just
> your few Startup items, it is broken and can be fixed easily too.  It
> is not detrimental, but annoying and frightening when people start
> poking around in msinfo32 (after I request their system information)

Where is the Startup Programs display in msinfo32?

-- 
  JD..
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JD
11/19/2009 6:29:11 PM
Jose wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2:56 pm, JD<J...@example.invalid>  wrote:
>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>> JD wrote:
>>>> Jose wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 17, 9:16 am, "William B. Lurie"<billu...@nospam.net>  wrote:
>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> JD wrote:
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find items whose identity is not clear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALCMTR
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RTHDCPL
>>>>>>>>>>>>> RECGUARD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dumprep 0-k
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I identify these, to see whether I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> active or not?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how can I permanently remove items I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need or want?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I find items such as these I type them into Bing or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> google
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and do some reading. Then I determine what I wish to do about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My question about how to remove them was aimed at not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the X from the item under Start-Up, but how to delete
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dozen items in the list that are not loaded, permanently,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from showing in the list.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> MSCONFIG, startup tab to discover how they are loaded, manually
>>>>>>>>>>>> removing them by either using the application itself to set the
>>>>>>>>>>>> proper settings prevening it from starting at Windows startup or
>>>>>>>>>>>> logon and/or editing the proper location (startup folder,
>>>>>>>>>>>> registry
>>>>>>>>>>>> location, etc) to remove it.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I can't use the applications themselves, because
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't put them up myself and wouldn't be able to find them.
>>>>>>>>>>> And I prefer not to mess with the registry. I guess the
>>>>>>>>>>> easy path is "It ain't broke so why fix it?". Thanks for the
>>>>>>>>>>> help.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Looking at it again, in the light of suggestions received,
>>>>>>>>>> I went back and find, upon searching that Zone Labs can not
>>>>>>>>>> be found anywhere.....including in registry (HKEY Local and
>>>>>>>>>> HKEY Current). The entry in Startup list shows Prog.Files/
>>>>>>>>>> Zone Labs but in Program Files I can't find it. Where do I
>>>>>>>>>> look next?
>>
>>>>>>>>> Which entry points to Zone Labs? Do you use Zone Alarm as your
>>>>>>>>> firewall?
>>
>>>>>>>> I don't use Zone Alarm at all, and can find no trace of it
>>>>>>>> anywhere on the machine, except in the startup list. I don't
>>>>>>>> know where else to look......
>>
>>>>>>> Want to try a more comprehensive program to control start up items and
>>>>>>> more? Autoruns is a startup monitor:
>>
>>>>>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I uncheck items in MSconfig but I don't remove the
>>>>>>> entry. So
>>>>>>> I have a bunch of useless entries but I don't look at MSconfig very
>>>>>>> often. 8-)
>>
>>>>>> Your approach is simple and effective, but it is annoying that
>>>>>> I tried ZA, didn't like it, uninstalled it, removed it from
>>>>>> everywhere I could, and still it is in my StartUp list and
>>>>>> I can't remove it. Well, this is an old system. Later came
>>>>>> Vista (untouched by me), and now Windows 7, which probably
>>>>>> is many steps forward, and many steps back, and I'll avoid
>>>>>> it as long as I can. Thanks, JD.
>>
>>>>> Do you mean you can't remove the unchecked item from msconfig and
>>>>> would like to, can't uncheck it in msconfig, or uncheck it and it
>>>>> rechecks later.
>>
>>>>> Autoruns will not show you unchecked msconfig startup items so you
>>>>> cannot remove them with Autoruns - it is not supposed to. There is no
>>>>> - Autoruns might let you...
>>
>>>>> It is easy to remove unwanted and unchecked startup items in msconfig
>>>>> without any guessing, maybe, might be and you can have a completely
>>>>> empty startup tab if it is your desire, but you will not do it with
>>>>> Autoruns.
>>
>>>>> Every item - checked, unchecked, running or not occupies some bit of
>>>>> space somewhere even if it is just enough stuff to to be able to
>>>>> display an empty item.
>>
>>>>> If there is garbage left behind, get rid of it correctly and
>>>>> permanently. There is no reason to live with it.
>>
>>>> I did say "might". So enlighten us. I believe what William was asking
>>>> is how to remove items from the MSconfig list that are unchecked that
>>>> he doesn't want to check so he would like them removed from the list.
>>
>>>> In my MSconfig list, for example, there is the following item:
>>
>>>> Startup Item is Adobe Reader Speed Launch,
>>>> Command is D:\Adobe\ACROBA~1.0\Reader\READER~1.exe
>>>> Location is Common Startup
>>
>>>> How would I remove that so it no longer shows up in MSconfig?
>>
>>>> I'm not being a smarty pants, I really don't know how to remove such
>>>> items from MSconfig.
>>
>>> JD has answered Jose's post. The ZA item is in the list. Its box is
>>> unchecked. I want to remove it from the list, box, line and all.
>>> I'd do it if I could find it. It's a Zone Labs creation. I have searched
>>> every way I know about, including regedit and Find there. I can't
>>> find it. If I were a smarty pants I'd know, too, JD.
>>
>> My notes say:
>>
>> Remove Old Entries In MSConfig
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupfolder
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\MSConfig\startupreg
>>
>> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/MSCONFIG.htm
>>
>> I haven't tried this myself, but I did look and the entries are there.
>>
>> --
>>    JD..
>
> Removing those registry entries will do it.    My Startup tab is
> completely empty and I remember deleting some unchecked Adobe junk
> from there using that method.
>
> Of course the items that are checked to run will not show up there -
> just the unchecked ones including the Startup Folder, etc.
>
> Look in msconfig and regedit at the same time, check/uncheck things in
> msconfig, watch and refresh the registry as things move around,
> disappear, etc.
>
> For the - I'm scared of the registry type person, here is a third
> party tool that does the same thing and can be uninstalled after
> things are cleaned up:
>
> http://www.get-in-control.com/msconfig-cleanup/
>
> I like Autoruns just fine, but it will not doesn't know this about
> unchecked items, but it is not supposed to.
>
> People tend to use msconfig as a startup manager and you can always
> tell the msconfig meddlers!
>
> There is also a Startup Programs display in msinfo32, which is
> sometimes broken (shows way too much junk), you can't change anything,
> but you can display and locate.  If the msinfo32 Startup Program list
> overpopulates with hundreds and hundreds of lines of junk and just
> your few Startup items, it is broken and can be fixed easily too.  It
> is not detrimental, but annoying and frightening when people start
> poking around in msinfo32 (after I request their system information)

Never mind that last question, I found it. For those reading along, 
Software Environment, Startup Programs.

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