I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I 
have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have 
greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find that 
MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state. I was receiving sales 
hints every time I ran 2004 and so I upgraded yesterday. What a mistake! The 
product has changed so much that nothing went smoothly and all of my records 
, accounts and history were messed up. Their program just quit several times 
on me without aborting messages - it just disappeared and I had to launch it 
again. It pushes you hard to put out all of your information on the MSN 
internet site even if you don't want to. It reconfigures you online access to 
your accounts and creates new accounts at banks which you may have previously 
told it to leave alone. There does not seem to be the same type of detail 
configuration possible. Since I have other accounts that I manage for 
children that I don't want to see in my financial statement this is a 
problem. If you try to delete these new accounts it added, it wants to delete 
all of your accounts at that bank. 
This product has not advanced that state of control you have, it has reduced 
it. I have wasted my upgrade fee on this one and will now be looking at other 
alternatives. Too bad - I really liked the product through 2004 versions. I 
removed the product and re-installed Money 2004. Thank goodness I had a 
backup of my data because 2005 also changes the file structures. Be careful 
if you try this upgrade.

Money's automation is more of a burden than it is helpful. I was hoping 2005 
would fix some of the problems in 2004, but it seems to have more bugs now 
than it ever did. The only difference is there are more advertisements, 
hidden as services like bill pay, etc. You can't turn these off either.

My biggest problem now is just balancing and cleaning up all the duplicate 
entries Money secretly adds on each import. I also can't mark any of my 
invoices as paid, because once you do guess what -- another duplicate entry 
goes into your bank of choice. I tried creating a "fake" holding account 
just so I can keep track of paid invoices. Well now I have a positive 
balance of twice my actual income! Woohoo! Too bad my bank doesn't agree!

So Money is still just a way to keep a back-up of all my accounts. I import 
once a month. It's never balanced, but oh well. I can never use it for my 
taxes, but oh well.

I like the new install music!

-Max


"Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:A82C2377-EDA9-4077-BA70-D431A7F989CD@microsoft.com...
>I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I
> have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have
> greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find 
> that
> MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state. I was receiving sales
> hints every time I ran 2004 and so I upgraded yesterday. What a mistake! 
> The
> product has changed so much that nothing went smoothly and all of my 
> records
> , accounts and history were messed up. Their program just quit several 
> times
> on me without aborting messages - it just disappeared and I had to launch 
> it
> again. It pushes you hard to put out all of your information on the MSN
> internet site even if you don't want to. It reconfigures you online access 
> to
> your accounts and creates new accounts at banks which you may have 
> previously
> told it to leave alone. There does not seem to be the same type of detail
> configuration possible. Since I have other accounts that I manage for
> children that I don't want to see in my financial statement this is a
> problem. If you try to delete these new accounts it added, it wants to 
> delete
> all of your accounts at that bank.
> This product has not advanced that state of control you have, it has 
> reduced
> it. I have wasted my upgrade fee on this one and will now be looking at 
> other
> alternatives. Too bad - I really liked the product through 2004 versions. 
> I
> removed the product and re-installed Money 2004. Thank goodness I had a
> backup of my data because 2005 also changes the file structures. Be 
> careful
> if you try this upgrade. 

I am so fuming mad at Microsoft over this money ’05 deal.  I mainly use money 
on my pocket PC and when I purchased this product I was eager to use it.  
However I am unable to use this product on my PPC.  There is an add-on 
package that is coming soon.  I look on the web site about every day and 
nothing.  This product should have never been released until everything was 
working together. 

) I think this new version is terrible. How do I exercise the 30-day Money
Back Guarantee?
  A) Assuming that you are in the United States or Canada, call Microsoft
Customer Service at (800) 426-9400. You will have to send the product back
to them with additional information (like a receipt for purchase and the
reason for return) and they will send you a check. Microsoft has a web page
with more details on this process.

  References:
  Microsoft North American retail product returns
  Refund Help Desk: 1-888-673-8624



"Mike" <Mike@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A82C2377-EDA9-4077-BA70-D431A7F989CD@microsoft.com...
I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I
have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have
greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find that
MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state. I was receiving sales
hints every time I ran 2004 and so I upgraded yesterday. What a mistake! The
product has changed so much that nothing went smoothly and all of my records
, accounts and history were messed up. Their program just quit several times
on me without aborting messages - it just disappeared and I had to launch it
again. It pushes you hard to put out all of your information on the MSN
internet site even if you don't want to. It reconfigures you online access
to
your accounts and creates new accounts at banks which you may have
previously
told it to leave alone. There does not seem to be the same type of detail
configuration possible. Since I have other accounts that I manage for
children that I don't want to see in my financial statement this is a
problem. If you try to delete these new accounts it added, it wants to
delete
all of your accounts at that bank.
This product has not advanced that state of control you have, it has reduced
it. I have wasted my upgrade fee on this one and will now be looking at
other
alternatives. Too bad - I really liked the product through 2004 versions. I
removed the product and re-installed Money 2004. Thank goodness I had a
backup of my data because 2005 also changes the file structures. Be careful
if you try this upgrade.

"Mike" wrote:

> I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I 
> have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have 
> greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find that 
> MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state. 

I am finding myself wishing I'd switched to Quicken.

I was running the 2003 Small Business version and "upgraded" to 2005.  First 
it got stuck in a never ending loop when it tried to update my data files.  
Once I got that fixed, it moved around several of my catagories without 
asking.  Then when I got everything the way I wanted it, it moved the back.  
And NOW I discover that not only did I lose my custom invoice design, but 
when I try to create a new one, the program either crashes or ignores me when 
I tell it to save.

And where is the Pocket PC version?

This isn't even BETA software.   I want my money back.

"Mike" wrote:

> I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I 
> have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have 
> greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find that 
> MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state. 

I am finding myself wishing I'd switched to Quicken.

I was running the 2003 Small Business version and "upgraded" to 2005.  First 
it got stuck in a never ending loop when it tried to update my data files.  
Once I got that fixed, it moved around several of my catagories without 
asking.  Then when I got everything the way I wanted it, it moved the back.  
And NOW I discover that not only did I lose my custom invoice design, but 
when I try to create a new one, the program either crashes or ignores me when 
I tell it to save.

And where is the Pocket PC version?

This isn't even BETA software.   I want my money back.

Please attribute this to http://umpmfaq.info or do not quote.

"KDE" <knott_me@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:%23LFZ1OWtEHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>) I think this new version is terrible. How do I exercise the 30-day Money
> Back Guarantee?
>  A) Assuming that you are in the United States or Canada, call Microsoft
> Customer Service at (800) 426-9400. You will have to send the product back
> to them with additional information (like a receipt for purchase and the
> reason for return) and they will send you a check. Microsoft has a web 
> page
> with more details on this process.
>
>  References:
>  Microsoft North American retail product returns
>  Refund Help Desk: 1-888-673-8624 

my apologies, oversight on my part, did not mean to do it intentionally.

"Dick Watson" <littlegreengecko@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
message news:OFjFNnYtEHA.3200@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
Please attribute this to http://umpmfaq.info or do not quote.

"KDE" <knott_me@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23LFZ1OWtEHA.412@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>) I think this new version is terrible. How do I exercise the 30-day Money
> Back Guarantee?
>  A) Assuming that you are in the United States or Canada, call Microsoft
> Customer Service at (800) 426-9400. You will have to send the product back
> to them with additional information (like a receipt for purchase and the
> reason for return) and they will send you a check. Microsoft has a web
> page
> with more details on this process.
>
>  References:
>  Microsoft North American retail product returns
>  Refund Help Desk: 1-888-673-8624

2005 really just increased ways Microsoft will upsell you on services like 
bill pay and MSN. I don't see ANY bug fixes or improvements with the invoice 
designer sadly. You might be able to use your old invoices if you can find 
your old invoice file and copy it over, but it may not show up.

-Max

"Captain Packrat" <Captain Packrat@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in 
message news:5303F73E-DD99-4E52-A84C-BF87B1B0CA88@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Mike" wrote:
>
>> I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I
>> have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have
>> greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find 
>> that
>> MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state.
>
> I am finding myself wishing I'd switched to Quicken.
>
> I was running the 2003 Small Business version and "upgraded" to 2005. 
> First
> it got stuck in a never ending loop when it tried to update my data files.
> Once I got that fixed, it moved around several of my catagories without
> asking.  Then when I got everything the way I wanted it, it moved the 
> back.
> And NOW I discover that not only did I lose my custom invoice design, but
> when I try to create a new one, the program either crashes or ignores me 
> when
> I tell it to save.
>
> And where is the Pocket PC version?
>
> This isn't even BETA software.   I want my money back. 

They did fix the Tax Estimator Garbled Screen problem of M03/4 (or was it 
M02/3/4?)

"Max" <nospam@notvalid.com> wrote in message 
news:%23Uwqe2EuEHA.2820@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> I don't see ANY bug fixes 

i've read all the comments on this thread, and have watched this go on and on 
for every year of a microsoft product, and i wonder when will it ever stop.  
i am experiencing the same thing.  bare upgrades, more commercial hooks that 
always work perfectly, centralized data gathering apparently for other uses 
than who it is designed for, while fixes are rarely addressed, "improvements" 
de-evolve, the layout and linking is non-sensical and scattered all over the 
place, new features that are promoted with dazzle never work, only partially 
devoloped, and the support is mindless.  how is it in a capatalist society, 
where the cream is supposed to rise to the top, did Microsoft ever get there? 
i just want to know.

p.

"Mike" wrote:

> I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I 
> have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have 
> greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find that 
> MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state. I was receiving sales 
> hints every time I ran 2004 and so I upgraded yesterday. What a mistake! The 
> product has changed so much that nothing went smoothly and all of my records 
> , accounts and history were messed up. Their program just quit several times 
> on me without aborting messages - it just disappeared and I had to launch it 
> again. It pushes you hard to put out all of your information on the MSN 
> internet site even if you don't want to. It reconfigures you online access to 
> your accounts and creates new accounts at banks which you may have previously 
> told it to leave alone. There does not seem to be the same type of detail 
> configuration possible. Since I have other accounts that I manage for 
> children that I don't want to see in my financial statement this is a 
> problem. If you try to delete these new accounts it added, it wants to delete 
> all of your accounts at that bank. 
> This product has not advanced that state of control you have, it has reduced 
> it. I have wasted my upgrade fee on this one and will now be looking at other 
> alternatives. Too bad - I really liked the product through 2004 versions. I 
> removed the product and re-installed Money 2004. Thank goodness I had a 
> backup of my data because 2005 also changes the file structures. Be careful 
> if you try this upgrade.

Nobody said the cream wouldn't be sour. Have you looked at the alternatives 
lately?

"Mr. P." <Mr. P.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:AD615355-1FA7-47B3-B9AC-5CA173D1E67C@microsoft.com...
> how is it in a capatalist society,
> where the cream is supposed to rise to the top, did Microsoft ever get 
> there?
> i just want to know. 

"have watched this go on and on for every year of a microsoft
product"... it is the main point...


Mr. P. wrote:
> i've read all the comments on this thread, and have watched this go on and on 
> for every year of a microsoft product, and i wonder when will it ever stop.  
> i am experiencing the same thing.  bare upgrades, more commercial hooks that 
> always work perfectly, centralized data gathering apparently for other uses 
> than who it is designed for, while fixes are rarely addressed, "improvements" 
> de-evolve, the layout and linking is non-sensical and scattered all over the 
> place, new features that are promoted with dazzle never work, only partially 
> devoloped, and the support is mindless.  how is it in a capatalist society, 
> where the cream is supposed to rise to the top, did Microsoft ever get there? 
> i just want to know.
> 
> p.
> 
> "Mike" wrote:
> 
> 
>>I am a 3 year user of Money 2003 and Money2004 Small Business. Although I 
>>have had minor problems, these products have been very stable and have 
>>greatly enhanced my financial control. So I was very surprised to find that 
>>MIcrosoft put out Money 2005 in its current state. I was receiving sales 
>>hints every time I ran 2004 and so I upgraded yesterday. What a mistake! The 
>>product has changed so much that nothing went smoothly and all of my records 
>>, accounts and history were messed up. Their program just quit several times 
>>on me without aborting messages - it just disappeared and I had to launch it 
>>again. It pushes you hard to put out all of your information on the MSN 
>>internet site even if you don't want to. It reconfigures you online access to 
>>your accounts and creates new accounts at banks which you may have previously 
>>told it to leave alone. There does not seem to be the same type of detail 
>>configuration possible. Since I have other accounts that I manage for 
>>children that I don't want to see in my financial statement this is a 
>>problem. If you try to delete these new accounts it added, it wants to delete 
>>all of your accounts at that bank. 
>>This product has not advanced that state of control you have, it has reduced 
>>it. I have wasted my upgrade fee on this one and will now be looking at other 
>>alternatives. Too bad - I really liked the product through 2004 versions. I 
>>removed the product and re-installed Money 2004. Thank goodness I had a 
>>backup of my data because 2005 also changes the file structures. Be careful 
>>if you try this upgrade.