I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
main helper in keeping things as I wish.

However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
(and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
machine solo.

Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
bound to make our lives miserable?

I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
human USER's considered judgment =97 by me.

PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.

ragmaniac wrote:
> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
> 
> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
> machine solo.
> 
> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
> bound to make our lives miserable?
> 
> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
> 
> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.

Get your computer back:

http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.

-- 
Alias

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> ragmaniac wrote:
>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>
>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>> machine solo.
>>
>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>
>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>
>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>
> Get your computer back:
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>
> -- 
> Alias

Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain appears to be.

JimF 

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> ragmaniac wrote:
>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>
>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>> machine solo.
>>
>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>
>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>
>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>
> Get your computer back:
>
><SNIP DISGUSTING LINK>  It's free and you have no control and can't use any 
>of the popular programs out there.
>
> -- 
> Alias

There you go, pushing that INFERIOR Ubuntu that most reject as garbage. 

On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:

> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
> 
> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in a
> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like to
> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them to
> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
> machine solo.
> 
> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a way
> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and bound to
> make our lives miserable?

I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put everything 
exactly where you want it.


> 
> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a human
> USER's considered judgment — by me.
> 
> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.

ragmaniac wrote:
> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
> main helper in keeping things as I wish.

You are fighting a losing battle. The best solution is to get used to 
the "new way" and live with it peacefully.

Windows is designed to handle a wide range of scenarios, from single 
users at home, to large corporate deployments in a multi-domain 
enterprise. The "new" system, with application data stored under the 
\User\<username>\Appdata directory, is required for scenarios where you 
have multiple users sharing a machine, or "roaming users" where the same 
user may log on to many different PCs in different locations, and 
expects to see their applications and data no matter where they log in. 
These are quite important requirements for corporate, enterprise and OEM 
sales.

The number of single users who want to keep total control over their 
directory structure is quite small and, I have to say, economically 
insignificant by comparison.

Microsoft's application guidelines for Windows Vista and Windows 7 
require software companies to use the AppData directory, in order to 
qualify for Windows certification. There are a number of quite 
significant engineering decisions which support this requirement; it 
wasn't just an opportunity to annoy customers just for the hell of it.

See for example Microsoft's "Windows 7 Client Software Logo Technical 
Requirements & Program Eligibility":
 
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/E/9/1E9580D9-2B2B-499C-918A-C9BA5EAC4A32/Windows%207%20Client%20Software%20Logo.pdf

or "Namespace Usage Guidelines for the Windows Vista File System":

http://download.microsoft.com/download/e/6/a/e6aa654f-cccb-421e-9b50-3392e9886084/VistaFileSysNamespaces.pdf

In this regard, Windows is simply following similar conventions to other 
operating systems. Under most forms of Unix for example, executables 
must go in /bin, apps in /usr/bin or /opt, app data under /var, and so on.

Hope it helps,

Andrew

-- 
amclar at optusnet dot com dot au

JimF wrote:
> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>
>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>> machine solo.
>>>
>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>
>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>
>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>> Get your computer back:
>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>
>> -- 
>> Alias
> 
> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain appears to be.
> 
> JimF 
> 
> 

And your solution to the OP's problem is?

-- 
Alias

Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
> 
> 
> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>
>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>> machine solo.
>>>
>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>
>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>
>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>
>> Get your computer back:
>>
>> <SNIP DISGUSTING LINK>  It's free and you have no control and can't 
>> use any of the popular programs out there.
>>
>> -- 
>> Alias
> 
> There you go, pushing that INFERIOR Ubuntu that most reject as garbage.

And your solution to the OP's problem is?

-- 
Alias

Alias wrote:
> JimF wrote:
>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>
>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>> machine solo.
>>>>
>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>
>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>> Get your computer back:
>>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Alias
>>
>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain appears 
>> to be.
>>
>> JimF
>>
> 
> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
> 
You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
You're out of mind if you do.

Alias wrote:
> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message=20
>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is =
my
>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>
>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by application=
s
>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried i=
n
>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To mak=
e
>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would lik=
e
>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want th=
em
>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly =
my
>>>> machine solo.
>>>>
>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a=

>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>
>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>> human USER's considered judgment =97 by me.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time =
of
>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>
>>> Get your computer back:
>>>
>>> <SNIP DISGUSTING LINK>  It's free and you have no control and can't=20
>>> use any of the popular programs out there.
>>>
>>> --=20
>>> Alias
>>
>> There you go, pushing that INFERIOR Ubuntu that most reject as garbage=
=2E
>=20
> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>=20
The OP seems to be complaining about the "default" location for various=20
things. If he doesn't know that he can chose another location of his=20
choice at time of installation or when saving something, then what=20
difference will switching to another, totally unfamiliar os make? linux=20
distros all have their own "default" location for things so he'd still=20
have to make a choice...something he seems not able or willing, to=20
currently do.

ray wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>=20
>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my=

>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>
>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in =
a
>> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like =
to
>> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them to=

>> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>> machine solo.
>>
>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a w=
ay
>> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and bound to=

>> make our lives miserable?
>=20
> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put everything=
=20
> exactly where you want it.
>=20
You can do the same thing with Windows.
Oops!
>=20
>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a huma=
n
>> USER's considered judgment =E2=80=94 by me.
>>
>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of=

>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>=20

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> JimF wrote:
>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain appears 
>>> to be.
>>>
>>> JimF
>>>
>>
>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>
> You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
> unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
> You're out of mind if you do.

If you want total control of your computer, of course it's the right 
answer. What's yours, hot shot?

-- 
Alias

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>
>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP DISGUSTING LINK>  It's free and you have no control and can't 
>>>> use any of the popular programs out there.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> There you go, pushing that INFERIOR Ubuntu that most reject as garbage.
>>
>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>
> The OP seems to be complaining about the "default" location for various 
> things. If he doesn't know that he can chose another location of his 
> choice at time of installation or when saving something, then what 
> difference will switching to another, totally unfamiliar os make? linux 
> distros all have their own "default" location for things so he'd still 
> have to make a choice...something he seems not able or willing, to 
> currently do.

And your solution to the OP's problem is?

-- 
Alias

Frank wrote:
> ray wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>
>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>
>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in a
>>> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like to
>>> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them to
>>> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>> machine solo.
>>>
>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a way
>>> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and bound to
>>> make our lives miserable?
>>
>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>> everything exactly where you want it.
>>
> You can do the same thing with Windows.
> Oops!

Really? How does one separate the programs from the registry, for example?

-- 
Alias

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> JimF wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows 
>>>>>> is my
>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the 
>>>>>> time of
>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain 
>>>> appears to be.
>>>>
>>>> JimF
>>>>
>>>
>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>
>> You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
>> unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
>> You're out of mind if you do.
> 
> If you want total control of your computer, of course it's the right 
> answer. What's yours, hot shot?

Don't you think its about time you faced the truth about Windows and linux?
Any user can learn to have total control over any os...if they're 
willing to learn.
You need to stop lying. liar.
> 

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:hi2fcl$lp2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> JimF wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain appears 
>>>> to be.
>>>>
>>>> JimF
>>>>
>>>
>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>
>> You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
>> unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
>> You're out of mind if you do.
>
> If you want total control of your computer, of course it's the right 
> answer. What's yours, hot shot?
>
> -- 
> Alias

What total control?  Can you decided how fast the cube spins?  Most of the 
popular software programs won't run on that SHITTY Ubuntu so telling people 
to ditch their programs is the WRONG ANSWER douche bag.

 

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:hi2fcl$lp2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> JimF wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly 
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain appears 
>>>> to be.
>>>>
>>>> JimF
>>>>
>>>
>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>
>> You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
>> unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
>> You're out of mind if you do.
>
> If you want total control of your computer, of course it's the right 
> answer. What's yours, hot shot?
>
> -- 
> Alias

And your solution to the OP's problem is?

 

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows 
>>>>>> is my
>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the 
>>>>>> time of
>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>>
>>>>> <SNIP DISGUSTING LINK>  It's free and you have no control and can't 
>>>>> use any of the popular programs out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> There you go, pushing that INFERIOR Ubuntu that most reject as garbage.
>>>
>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>
>> The OP seems to be complaining about the "default" location for 
>> various things. If he doesn't know that he can chose another location 
>> of his choice at time of installation or when saving something, then 
>> what difference will switching to another, totally unfamiliar os make? 
>> linux distros all have their own "default" location for things so he'd 
>> still have to make a choice...something he seems not able or willing, 
>> to currently do.
> 
> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
> 
He needs to learn to use the OS he currently has. Changing OS's is not 
an answer.

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>
>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in a
>>>> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>> like to
>>>> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them to
>>>> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>> machine solo.
>>>>
>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a 
>>>> way
>>>> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and bound to
>>>> make our lives miserable?
>>>
>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>> everything exactly where you want it.
>>>
>> You can do the same thing with Windows.
>> Oops!
> 
> Really? How does one separate the programs from the registry, for example?
> 

You've got to be kidding me right? What does the "registry" have to do 
with where one choses to place files?
Well...?

Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
> 
> 
> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:hi2fcl$lp2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> JimF wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows 
>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To 
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the 
>>>>>>> time of
>>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain 
>>>>> appears to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> JimF
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>>
>>> You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
>>> unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
>>> You're out of mind if you do.
>>
>> If you want total control of your computer, of course it's the right 
>> answer. What's yours, hot shot?
>>
>> -- 
>> Alias
> 
> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
> 
> 
> 

Can't read? Lay off the sauce.

-- 
Alias

"Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
news:hi2ivo$drm$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:hi2fcl$lp2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> JimF wrote:
>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is 
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To 
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly 
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain appears 
>>>>>> to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JimF
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>>>
>>>> You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
>>>> unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
>>>> You're out of mind if you do.
>>>
>>> If you want total control of your computer, of course it's the right 
>>> answer. What's yours, hot shot?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Alias
>>
>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Can't read? Lay off the sauce.
>
> -- 
> Alias

I can read and I did see your response.  Totally wrong and does not help the 
OP.  You might as well have told the OP to watch TV.
 

Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
> 
> 
> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:hi2ivo$drm$3@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Bill Yanaire, ESQ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:hi2fcl$lp2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> JimF wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" <Alias@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>>> news:hi0421$nr2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>> ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and 
>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." 
>>>>>>>>> To make
>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I 
>>>>>>>>> want them
>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>>>> found a
>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment � by me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the 
>>>>>>>>> time of
>>>>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>>>>>> Get your computer back:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/ It's free and you have total control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you stick your Ubuntu op the place where your brain 
>>>>>>> appears to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JimF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>>>>
>>>>> You actually think telling the users to switch to another, totally 
>>>>> unfamiliar OS is the very best answer to his question?
>>>>> You're out of mind if you do.
>>>>
>>>> If you want total control of your computer, of course it's the right 
>>>> answer. What's yours, hot shot?
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> And your solution to the OP's problem is?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Can't read? Lay off the sauce.
>>
>> -- 
>> Alias
> 
> I can read and I did see your response.  Totally wrong and does not help 
> the OP.  You might as well have told the OP to watch TV.
> 
> 

Of course it would.

-- 
Alias

On Jan 5, 10:13=A0pm, Andrew McLaren <m...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> ragmaniac wrote:
> > I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
> > knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
> > main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>
> You are fighting a losing battle. The best solution is to get used to
> the "new way" and live with it peacefully.
>
> Windows is designed to handle a wide range of scenarios, from single
> users at home, to large corporate deployments in a multi-domain
> enterprise. The "new" system, with application data stored under the
> \User\<username>\Appdata directory, is required for scenarios where you
> have multiple users sharing a machine, or "roaming users" where the same
> user may log on to many different PCs in different locations, and
> expects to see their applications and data no matter where they log in.
> These are quite important requirements for corporate, enterprise and OEM
> sales.
>
> The number of single users who want to keep total control over their
> directory structure is quite small and, I have to say, economically
> insignificant by comparison.
>
> Microsoft's application guidelines for Windows Vista and Windows 7
> require software companies to use the AppData directory, in order to
> qualify for Windows certification. There are a number of quite
> significant engineering decisions which support this requirement; it
> wasn't just an opportunity to annoy customers just for the hell of it.
>
> See for example Microsoft's "Windows 7 Client Software Logo Technical
> Requirements & Program Eligibility":
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/E/9/1E9580D9-2B2B-499C-918A-...
>
> or "Namespace Usage Guidelines for the Windows Vista File System":
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/download/e/6/a/e6aa654f-cccb-421e-9b50-...
>
> In this regard, Windows is simply following similar conventions to other
> operating systems. Under most forms of Unix for example, executables
> must go in /bin, apps in /usr/bin or /opt, app data under /var, and so on=
..
>
> Hope it helps,
>
> Andrew
>
> --
> amclar at optusnet dot com dot au

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++

Thank you very much, Andrew, for a reasonable explanation of the
'state of things' in the Windows OS world. As a result, I will no
longer complain, suck it up, so to speak, and do what I must to get
used to our 'modern' computer software hierarchy.

But...is it possible to alter the Windows OS software to a single-user
configuration? I suspect not, leaving old fossils like me to merely
remember the albeit limited capabilities of Digital Reasearche's CP/M.
(newbees please see Wikipedia) If it cannot be done, just ignore the
question. I will understand. Thank you again for a very useful
explanation.

Progress may be painful at times, but it kicks us down the road =97 as
it should. Hal.

ragmaniac wrote:

> But...is it possible to alter the Windows OS software to a single-user
> configuration? I suspect not, leaving old fossils like me to merely
> remember the albeit limited capabilities of Digital Reasearche's CP/M.
> (newbees please see Wikipedia) If it cannot be done, just ignore the

Hi Hal,

BTW, I should have mentioned that I don't personally entirely love every 
aspect of the Vista/Win7 directory structure, myself! The "C:\Program 
Files" directory name is horrible. That damn space char keeps getting in 
the way. But, that's the way it is ...

You can't really install it in "single-user" mode to bypass all the 
multi-user features. Among other issues, you can't tell in advance 
whether an application will try to locate a directory using a API (such 
as SHGetKnownFolderPath()); or by looking for a COM object via CSIDL, or 
use a literal directory path, such as "C:\Users\<user>\Data", etc. Or 
possibly all three. Yes, it's a bit of a mess; but that's the result of 
~25 years fairly organic evolution, with pragmatic compromises, rather 
than pristine design rigidity, along the way.

A couple of workarounds might make it more user-friendly for your own 
requirements:

- if you want to regularly access data stored in a deeply nested path, 
such as "C:\Users\Hal\AppData\Local\SomeVendor\Mydata", you can create a 
Shortcut in Explorer which points to that folder. Leave the Shortcut in 
some easily accessed location, like your desktop.

- somewhat similar, NTFS in Vista and Win7 support symbolic Links (like 
in Unix), which you can create with the mklink command at a command 
prompt. So:

   C:\>mklink /D C:\MyData C:\Users\Hal\AppData\Local\SomeVendor\Mydata

will create a directory off the root of C:\, which is a link to the 
deeply nested directory. You can then reach the same directory and files 
using either path.

Things were certainly easier back in CP/M days! But we'd probably find 
CP/M pretty frustrating, after using Windows XP, Vista or 7 for a while 
  - where's my web browser? In fact - where's my network?? :-)) Mind you 
PIP was a good utility on CP/M.

Hope it helps,

Andrew

-- 
amclar at optusnet dot com dot au

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>> 
>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>
>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>> machine solo.
>>>
>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>> 
>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put everything
>> exactly where you want it.
>> 
> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!

Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.


>> 
>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>> human USER's considered judgment — by me.
>>>
>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>

On 06.01.2010 1:26, ragmaniac wrote:
> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
> to reside.
>

Visit 
"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User 
Shell Folders" registry key and remap corresponding folders accordingly.

ray wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>=20
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is =
my
>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>
>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by application=
s
>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried i=
n
>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To mak=
e
>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would lik=
e
>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want th=
em
>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly =
my
>>>> machine solo.
>>>>
>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a=

>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put everythi=
ng
>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>
>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>=20
> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.

Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that you can=20
  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
Oops!
>=20
>=20
>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>> human USER's considered judgment =E2=80=94 by me.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time =
of
>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>=20

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried 
>>>>> in a
>>>>> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>>> like to
>>>>> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them to
>>>>> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found 
>>>>> a way
>>>>> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and bound to
>>>>> make our lives miserable?
>>>>
>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>> everything exactly where you want it.
>>>>
>>> You can do the same thing with Windows.
>>> Oops!
>>
>> Really? How does one separate the programs from the registry, for 
>> example?
>>
> 
> You've got to be kidding me right? What does the "registry" have to do 
> with where one choses to place files?
> Well...?

Guess what the registry consists of, files, and most programs are 
intertwined with the registry. Programs are made up of files. Get it now 
or do I need to go slower?

-- 
Alias

Frank wrote:
> ray wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows is my
>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried in
>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would like
>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want them
>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put everything
>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>
>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>
>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
> 
> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that you can 
>  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
> Oops!

Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: insult the 
person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied *nothing* from Windows. 
It's the other way round but True Believer like Frank will never let 
themselves become educated. If Linux were to copy one code from MS, you 
can best believe MS lawyers would be all over it.


>>
>>
>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>> human USER's considered judgment — by me.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the time of
>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>
> 


-- 
Alias

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows 
>>>>>> is my
>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applications
>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried 
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>>>> like to
>>>>>> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found 
>>>>>> a way
>>>>>> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and 
>>>>>> bound to
>>>>>> make our lives miserable?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>> everything exactly where you want it.
>>>>>
>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows.
>>>> Oops!
>>>
>>> Really? How does one separate the programs from the registry, for 
>>> example?
>>>
>>
>> You've got to be kidding me right? What does the "registry" have to do 
>> with where one choses to place files?
>> Well...?
> 
> Guess what the registry consists of, files, and most programs are 
> intertwined with the registry. Programs are made up of files. Get it now 
> or do I need to go slower?

Please tell us all why you think you need to be able to separate 
programs from the registry?
This should be good!...LOL!

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usuall=
y
>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows=20
>>>>>> is my
>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by applicati=
ons
>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply burried=
 in
>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To m=
ake
>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would l=
ike
>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want =

>>>>>> them
>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I=20
>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found=
 a
>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put=20
>>>>> everything
>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>
>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>
>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>
>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that you=20
>> can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>> Oops!
>=20
> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: insult th=
e=20
> person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied *nothing* from Windows. =

> It's the other way round but True Believer like Frank will never let=20
> themselves become educated. If Linux were to copy one code from MS, you=
=20
> can best believe MS lawyers would be all over it.

Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 'copying=20
code" huh?
FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
Got it loser?

>=20
>=20
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I want to get back to where all computer events were decided by a
>>>>>> human USER's considered judgment =E2=80=94 by me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: I do not object to suggestions made by applications at the=20
>>>>>> time of
>>>>>> installation, but I want to be the final judge every time.
>>>
>>
>=20
>=20

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows 
>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>> burried in a
>>>>>>> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To make
>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I fly my
>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>> found a way
>>>>>>> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and 
>>>>>>> bound to
>>>>>>> make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>> everything exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows.
>>>>> Oops!
>>>>
>>>> Really? How does one separate the programs from the registry, for 
>>>> example?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've got to be kidding me right? What does the "registry" have to 
>>> do with where one choses to place files?
>>> Well...?
>>
>> Guess what the registry consists of, files, and most programs are 
>> intertwined with the registry. Programs are made up of files. Get it 
>> now or do I need to go slower?
> 
> Please tell us all why you think you need to be able to separate 
> programs from the registry?
> This should be good!...LOL!

I need to go slower, as expected, but fuck it, he wouldn't get it anyway.

-- 
Alias

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows 
>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To 
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has found a
>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>
>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>
>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that you 
>>> can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>> Oops!
>>
>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: insult 
>> the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied *nothing* from 
>> Windows. It's the other way round but True Believer like Frank will 
>> never let themselves become educated. If Linux were to copy one code 
>> from MS, you can best believe MS lawyers would be all over it.
> 
> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 'copying 
> code" huh?
> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
> Got it loser?
> 

They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition you 
install them.

-- 
Alias

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and usually
>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in Windows 
>>>>>>>> is my
>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To 
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I would 
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I 
>>>>>>>> want them
>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>>> found a
>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>>
>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that you 
>>>> can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>>> Oops!
>>>
>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: insult 
>>> the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied *nothing* from 
>>> Windows. It's the other way round but True Believer like Frank will 
>>> never let themselves become educated. If Linux were to copy one code 
>>> from MS, you can best believe MS lawyers would be all over it.
>>
>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 'copying 
>> code" huh?
>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
>> Got it loser?
>>
> 
> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition you 
> install them.
> 
So? Who cares?

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and 
>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>> burried in a
>>>>>>>>> very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." To 
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>> would like to
>>>>>>>>> undo this practice and get back to putting things where I want 
>>>>>>>>> them to
>>>>>>>>> reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>>>> found a way
>>>>>>>>> to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and 
>>>>>>>>> bound to
>>>>>>>>> make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>>>> everything exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows.
>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really? How does one separate the programs from the registry, for 
>>>>>> example?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You've got to be kidding me right? What does the "registry" have to 
>>>>> do with where one choses to place files?
>>>>> Well...?
>>>>
>>>> Guess what the registry consists of, files, and most programs are 
>>>> intertwined with the registry. Programs are made up of files. Get it 
>>>> now or do I need to go slower?
>>>
>>> Please tell us all why you think you need to be able to separate 
>>> programs from the registry?
>>> This should be good!...LOL!
>>
>> I need to go slower, as expected, but fuck it, he wouldn't get it anyway.
>>
> Backpedaling...again...as usual?
> Didn't you say..."How does one separate the programs from the registry, 
> for example?'
> And didn't I ask..."Please tell us all why you think you need to be able 
> to separate programs from the registry?"
> Oops!...LOL!

Programs such as the millions of viruses and malwares, when installed, 
go directly into the registry where they can wreck havoc. Computing 101, 
chum.

-- 
Alias

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and 
>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." 
>>>>>>>>> To make
>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I 
>>>>>>>>> want them
>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; I 
>>>>>>>>> fly my
>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>>>> found a
>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that you 
>>>>> can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>>>> Oops!
>>>>
>>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: insult 
>>>> the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied *nothing* from 
>>>> Windows. It's the other way round but True Believer like Frank will 
>>>> never let themselves become educated. If Linux were to copy one code 
>>>> from MS, you can best believe MS lawyers would be all over it.
>>>
>>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 'copying 
>>> code" huh?
>>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
>>> Got it loser?
>>>
>>
>> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition you 
>> install them.
>>
> So? Who cares?

You should. Keeping the kernel, or registry, separate is the reason 
Ubuntu is bullet proof compared to Windows.

-- 
Alias

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and 
>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." 
>>>>>>>>>> To make
>>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I 
>>>>>>>>>> want them
>>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; 
>>>>>>>>>> I fly my
>>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>>>>> found a
>>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent and
>>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that 
>>>>>> you can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: 
>>>>> insult the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied *nothing* 
>>>>> from Windows. It's the other way round but True Believer like Frank 
>>>>> will never let themselves become educated. If Linux were to copy 
>>>>> one code from MS, you can best believe MS lawyers would be all over 
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 
>>>> 'copying code" huh?
>>>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
>>>> Got it loser?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition you 
>>> install them.
>>>
>> So? Who cares?
> 
> You should.

No, I don't have to care about it. I practice safe hex.

  Keeping the kernel, or registry, separate is the reason
> Ubuntu is bullet proof compared to Windows.
>

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and 
>>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory "USER." 
>>>>>>>>>>> To make
>>>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I 
>>>>>>>>>>> want them
>>>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to satisfy; 
>>>>>>>>>>> I fly my
>>>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>>>>>> found a
>>>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are bent 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that 
>>>>>>> you can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>>>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: 
>>>>>> insult the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied 
>>>>>> *nothing* from Windows. It's the other way round but True Believer 
>>>>>> like Frank will never let themselves become educated. If Linux 
>>>>>> were to copy one code from MS, you can best believe MS lawyers 
>>>>>> would be all over it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 
>>>>> 'copying code" huh?
>>>>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
>>>>> Got it loser?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition 
>>>> you install them.
>>>>
>>> So? Who cares?
>>
>> You should.
> 
> No, I don't have to care about it. I practice safe hex.

And you're perfect, right?

> 
>  Keeping the kernel, or registry, separate is the reason
>> Ubuntu is bullet proof compared to Windows.
>>


-- 
Alias

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "USER." To make
>>>>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> want them
>>>>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy; I fly my
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and has 
>>>>>>>>>>>> found a
>>>>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>> bent and
>>>>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that 
>>>>>>>> you can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>>>>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: 
>>>>>>> insult the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied 
>>>>>>> *nothing* from Windows. It's the other way round but True 
>>>>>>> Believer like Frank will never let themselves become educated. If 
>>>>>>> Linux were to copy one code from MS, you can best believe MS 
>>>>>>> lawyers would be all over it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 
>>>>>> 'copying code" huh?
>>>>>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
>>>>>> Got it loser?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition 
>>>>> you install them.
>>>>>
>>>> So? Who cares?
>>>
>>> You should.
>>
>> No, I don't have to care about it. I practice safe hex.
> 
> And you're perfect, right?

More of your childish responses?
Obviously, having any kind of an intellectual, factual conversation with 
you ends when your cornered...then you either cross the line with your 
vile disguising sexual insults and threats of physical violence about 
ones family members or else make you make obtuse, stupid, unrelated 
remarks.
FACT: there is absolutely nothing you can do with linux that can't be 
done with Windows. Nothing.
FACT: you can play games with Windows (a multi-billion dollar industry) 
but not with linux.
FACT: you need only one OS...Windows.
PERIOD!!!
> 
>>
>>  Keeping the kernel, or registry, separate is the reason
>>> Ubuntu is bullet proof compared to Windows.
>>>
> 
> 

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "USER." To make
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy; I fly my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has found a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bent and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can put 
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know that 
>>>>>>>>> you can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>>>>>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: 
>>>>>>>> insult the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied 
>>>>>>>> *nothing* from Windows. It's the other way round but True 
>>>>>>>> Believer like Frank will never let themselves become educated. 
>>>>>>>> If Linux were to copy one code from MS, you can best believe MS 
>>>>>>>> lawyers would be all over it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 
>>>>>>> 'copying code" huh?
>>>>>>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
>>>>>>> Got it loser?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition 
>>>>>> you install them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So? Who cares?
>>>>
>>>> You should.
>>>
>>> No, I don't have to care about it. I practice safe hex.
>>
>> And you're perfect, right?
> 
> More of your childish responses?
> Obviously, having any kind of an intellectual, factual conversation with 
> you ends when your cornered...then you either cross the line with your 
> vile disguising sexual insults and threats of physical violence about 
> ones family members or else make you make obtuse, stupid, unrelated 
> remarks.
> FACT: there is absolutely nothing you can do with linux that can't be 
> done with Windows. Nothing.
> FACT: you can play games with Windows (a multi-billion dollar industry) 
> but not with linux.
> FACT: you need only one OS...Windows.
> PERIOD!!!
>>
>>>
>>>  Keeping the kernel, or registry, separate is the reason
>>>> Ubuntu is bullet proof compared to Windows.
>>>>
>>
>>

Your Achilles heal is showing, Frances.

-- 
Alias

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800, ragmaniac wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burried in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "USER." To make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy; I fly my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has found a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bent and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know 
>>>>>>>>>> that you can  set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
>>>>>>>>>> Oops!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does: 
>>>>>>>>> insult the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied 
>>>>>>>>> *nothing* from Windows. It's the other way round but True 
>>>>>>>>> Believer like Frank will never let themselves become educated. 
>>>>>>>>> If Linux were to copy one code from MS, you can best believe MS 
>>>>>>>>> lawyers would be all over it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about 
>>>>>>>> 'copying code" huh?
>>>>>>>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windows.
>>>>>>>> Got it loser?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition 
>>>>>>> you install them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So? Who cares?
>>>>>
>>>>> You should.
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't have to care about it. I practice safe hex.
>>>
>>> And you're perfect, right?
>>
>> More of your childish responses?
>> Obviously, having any kind of an intellectual, factual conversation 
>> with you ends when your cornered...then you either cross the line with 
>> your vile disguising sexual insults and threats of physical violence 
>> about ones family members or else make you make obtuse, stupid, 
>> unrelated remarks.
>> FACT: there is absolutely nothing you can do with linux that can't be 
>> done with Windows. Nothing.
>> FACT: you can play games with Windows (a multi-billion dollar 
>> industry) but not with linux.
>> FACT: you need only one OS...Windows.
>> PERIOD!!!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Keeping the kernel, or registry, separate is the reason
>>>>> Ubuntu is bullet proof compared to Windows.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
> Your Achilles heal is showing, Frances.
> 
LOL...you just proved my point cody!
Thanks!

On Jan 7, 11:29=A0am, Frank <f...@vst.cmm> wrote:
> Alias wrote:
> > Frank wrote:
> >> Alias wrote:
> >>> Frank wrote:
> >>>> Alias wrote:
> >>>>> Frank wrote:
> >>>>>> Alias wrote:
> >>>>>>> Frank wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09:30 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:26:36 -0800,ragmaniacwrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am an oldfashioned computer user, who usually decides
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and usually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knows where EVERYTHING is on my computer. MS Explorer in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows is my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> main helper in keeping things as I wish.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, of late, more and more information is placed by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and some other precesses) into various directories deeply
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> burried in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very looooong hierarchy starting with the directory
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "USER." To make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> things worse, there may be more than one of these USERS. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to undo this practice and get back to putting things where
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reside. There is no one else whom I would have to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfy; I fly my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine solo.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there someone out there who shares my frustration and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has found a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way to defeat those brilliant software engineers who are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bent and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bound to make our lives miserable?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've found one excellent way - convert to Linux. You can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> put everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly where you want it.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You can do the same thing with Windows. Oops!
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, frankie, how about telling the OP HOW.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well ray-baby, if you actually had a Windows OS you'd know
> >>>>>>>>>> that you can =A0set/chose Windows to do exactly the same thing=
..
> >>>>>>>>>> In fact, linux copied Windows in that respect!
> >>>>>>>>>> Oops!
>
> >>>>>>>>> Frank doesn't know the answer so he does what he always does:
> >>>>>>>>> insult the person to whom he's replying. Linux has copied
> >>>>>>>>> *nothing* from Windows. It's the other way round but True
> >>>>>>>>> Believer like Frank will never let themselves become educated.
> >>>>>>>>> If Linux were to copy one code from MS, you can best believe MS
> >>>>>>>>> lawyers would be all over it.
>
> >>>>>>>> Reading comprehension problems cody? Who said anything about
> >>>>>>>> 'copying code" huh?
> >>>>>>>> FACT: You can chose where you want apps to be installed in Windo=
ws.
> >>>>>>>> Got it loser?
>
> >>>>>>> They'll be intertwined with the registry no matter what partition
> >>>>>>> you install them.
>
> >>>>>> So? Who cares?
>
> >>>>> You should.
>
> >>>> No, I don't have to care about it. I practice safe hex.
>
> >>> And you're perfect, right?
>
> >> More of your childish responses?
> >> Obviously, having any kind of an intellectual, factual conversation
> >> with you ends when your cornered...then you either cross the line with
> >> your vile disguising sexual insults and threats of physical violence
> >> about ones family members or else make you make obtuse, stupid,
> >> unrelated remarks.
> >> FACT: there is absolutely nothing you can do with linux that can't be
> >> done with Windows. Nothing.
> >> FACT: you can play games with Windows (a multi-billion dollar
> >> industry) but not with linux.
> >> FACT: you need only one OS...Windows.
> >> PERIOD!!!
>
> >>>> =A0Keeping the kernel, or registry, separate is the reason
> >>>>> Ubuntu is bullet proof compared to Windows.
>
> > Your Achilles heal is showing, Frances.
>
> LOL...you just proved my point cody!
> Thanks!- Hide quoted text -
>
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Well, I didn't expect to start a fight between F and A, or A and F,
whichever way you want to see it, but so it goes. The more we talk,
the more we see! Remember, no matter who puts it out, wether it's
garbage or not, there is always a piece of useful info in it
somewhere. Long live optimism!

And again, I want to thank Andrew for taking my question under his
wing. Yes, I will create some pointers in C:\ (and/or other drives) to
get me quickly into some of the deeper directories.

Did the OS designers realize how much error-prone typing is involved
to get at these deep directories the long way?


Thanks again. Hal.

ragmaniac wrote:
>
> Well, I didn't expect to start a fight between F and A, or A and F,

Hi Hal,

You can safely ignore Frank and Alias. They are very high-volume posters 
to this newsgroup; but neither of them has ever contributed anything 
useful. It is some kind of private game, which they find amusing.

> Did the OS designers realize how much error-prone typing is involved
> to get at these deep directories the long way?

Another reply suggested that you can modify the Shell Folders values in 
teh Registry. In a sense this is technically correct, but I'd discourage 
that approach as a solution. I've actually used that myself, in the 
past. However I found it is somewhat error-prone, since some apps will 
still use hard-coded directory paths, and you end up with data scattered 
between two places! It is also unsupported by Microsoft PSS and most 
application vendors; which is probably not a big deal for a single user 
at home, but usually kills the idea in any school or business setting.

And, yeah: I don't necessarily think the new layout is "good"; I'm just 
saying, that's the way it is :-)

I think the designers were assuming that users will navigate through the 
directory structure using point-n-click in Explorer and the common 
control dialogue boxes (File Open, File save, etc). The ideal solution 
would be to have user-friendly organisation of data, at a layer which 
was above, and abstracted from, the underlying physical file system. 
That was one of the goals for the late, lamented WinFS ... a good idea 
which just never got off the ground ...

Cheers

Andrew

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