Sorting of file names in Explorer - microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set - details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted. The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up? For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it? ft-tj-Caleb.html ft-tj-Deborah.html ft-tj-Isaac.html ft-tj-Jacob1.html ft-tj-Jacob2.html ft-tj-Joshua.html ft-tj-Margaret.html ft-tj-Peter1.html ft-tj-Peter2.html ft-tjsij-John.html ft-tjsijj-Warren.html ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html ft-tjsi-John.html ft-tjs-Isaac.html ft-tj-Solomon.html Thanks, Bob

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319827 -- .. -- "Robert M. Lincoln" <robert_nospam@americanriver.com> wrote in message news:uMWYC$gILHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set - > details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted. > The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a > hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending > alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up? > > For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher > in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it? > > ft-tj-Caleb.html > ft-tj-Deborah.html > ft-tj-Isaac.html > ft-tj-Jacob1.html > ft-tj-Jacob2.html > ft-tj-Joshua.html > ft-tj-Margaret.html > ft-tj-Peter1.html > ft-tj-Peter2.html > ft-tjsij-John.html > ft-tjsijj-Warren.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html > ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html > ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html > ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html > ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html > ft-tjsi-John.html > ft-tjs-Isaac.html > ft-tj-Solomon.html > > > Thanks, > > Bob >

"Robert M. Lincoln" <robert_nospam@americanriver.com> schreef in bericht news:uMWYC$gILHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set - > details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted. > The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a > hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending > alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up? > > For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher > in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it? > > ft-tj-Caleb.html > ft-tj-Deborah.html > ft-tj-Isaac.html > ft-tj-Jacob1.html > ft-tj-Jacob2.html > ft-tj-Joshua.html > ft-tj-Margaret.html > ft-tj-Peter1.html > ft-tj-Peter2.html > ft-tjsij-John.html > ft-tjsijj-Warren.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html > ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html > ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html > ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html > ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html > ft-tjsi-John.html > ft-tjs-Isaac.html > ft-tj-Solomon.html > > > Thanks, > > Bob > no, fttjso simply follows fttjsi

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:15:16 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote: > The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set - > details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted. > The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a > hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending > alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up? > > For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher > in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it? > > ft-tj-Caleb.html > ft-tj-Deborah.html > ft-tj-Isaac.html > ft-tj-Jacob1.html > ft-tj-Jacob2.html > ft-tj-Joshua.html > ft-tj-Margaret.html > ft-tj-Peter1.html > ft-tj-Peter2.html > ft-tjsij-John.html > ft-tjsijj-Warren.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html > ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html > ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html > ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html > ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html > ft-tjsi-John.html > ft-tjs-Isaac.html > ft-tj-Solomon.html > > > Thanks, > > Bob I was trying to figure out what Peter W. was saying. It looks like he is suggesting that the sorting ignores the hyphens. Geez - do I have to create a directory of such names now to experiment? Such a pain :-) Well, I did - it take very long - and I verified that hyphens are ignored. 1. My folder ended up sorted just like your list. 2. When I inserted hyphens *anywhere* in a filename it didn't change its location in the list. Commas, equal signs, and dots did alter the location. OK, there might be a setting somewhere to change this, but I have no idea where. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

I think "sometimes" the hyphen is ignored. For example, in my list (part of which is shown below), if you ignored hyphens, "ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html" should be the first in the list, as "A" should come before "a". So, it's not at all predictable. ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html I heard from someone that Microsoft, in the "compare strings" routine, assigns "weights" to some symbols to yield results that are "culturally expected". I think to avoid confusion, it is just better to avoid hypens in file names. Thanks, Bob Lincoln ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Sorting of file names in Explorer > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:15:16 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote: > >> The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set - >> details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be >> sorted. >> The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a >> hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending >> alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up? >> >> For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much >> higher >> in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it? >> >> ft-tj-Caleb.html >> ft-tj-Deborah.html >> ft-tj-Isaac.html >> ft-tj-Jacob1.html >> ft-tj-Jacob2.html >> ft-tj-Joshua.html >> ft-tj-Margaret.html >> ft-tj-Peter1.html >> ft-tj-Peter2.html >> ft-tjsij-John.html >> ft-tjsijj-Warren.html >> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html >> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html >> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html >> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html >> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html >> ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html >> ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html >> ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html >> ft-tjsi-John.html >> ft-tjs-Isaac.html >> ft-tj-Solomon.html >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bob > > I was trying to figure out what Peter W. was saying. It looks like he is > suggesting that the sorting ignores the hyphens. > > Geez - do I have to create a directory of such names now to experiment? > Such a pain :-) > > Well, I did - it take very long - and I verified that hyphens are ignored. > > 1. My folder ended up sorted just like your list. > > 2. When I inserted hyphens *anywhere* in a filename it didn't change its > location in the list. Commas, equal signs, and dots did alter the > location. > > OK, there might be a setting somewhere to change this, but I have no idea > where. > > -- > Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Windows ignores case in sorting filenames. Always has. Still does. On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:39:35 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote: > I think "sometimes" the hyphen is ignored. For example, in my list (part of > which is shown below), if you ignored hyphens, "ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html" > should be the first in the list, as "A" should come before "a". So, it's > not at all predictable. > > ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html > ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html > ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html > > I heard from someone that Microsoft, in the "compare strings" routine, > assigns "weights" to some symbols to yield results that are "culturally > expected". I think to avoid confusion, it is just better to avoid hypens in > file names. > > Thanks, > > Bob Lincoln > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: Sorting of file names in Explorer > > >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:15:16 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote: >> >>> The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set - >>> details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be >>> sorted. >>> The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a >>> hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending >>> alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up? >>> >>> For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much >>> higher >>> in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it? >>> >>> ft-tj-Caleb.html >>> ft-tj-Deborah.html >>> ft-tj-Isaac.html >>> ft-tj-Jacob1.html >>> ft-tj-Jacob2.html >>> ft-tj-Joshua.html >>> ft-tj-Margaret.html >>> ft-tj-Peter1.html >>> ft-tj-Peter2.html >>> ft-tjsij-John.html >>> ft-tjsijj-Warren.html >>> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html >>> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html >>> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html >>> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html >>> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html >>> ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html >>> ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html >>> ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html >>> ft-tjsi-John.html >>> ft-tjs-Isaac.html >>> ft-tj-Solomon.html >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bob >> >> I was trying to figure out what Peter W. was saying. It looks like he is >> suggesting that the sorting ignores the hyphens. >> >> Geez - do I have to create a directory of such names now to experiment? >> Such a pain :-) >> >> Well, I did - it take very long - and I verified that hyphens are ignored. >> >> 1. My folder ended up sorted just like your list. >> >> 2. When I inserted hyphens *anywhere* in a filename it didn't change its >> location in the list. Commas, equal signs, and dots did alter the >> location. >> >> OK, there might be a setting somewhere to change this, but I have no idea >> where. >> >> -- >> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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