I have purchased SBS2008 Premium.  I was told that I needed to purchase a 
Windows 2008R2 Server license for the second server?  I thought SBS2008 
premium had licenses for both SBS2008 and Windows 2008 server and that I just 
need additional user/device CALS.  

Also, Can I install SBS2008 AND Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V 
Viitualization all on the SBS2008 box, or does it have to be installed on 
separate servers?

Hi David,

You don't need another server license.

You can install WS2k8 on the hardware, enable the hyper-v role, and then 
install SBS08 as a virtual machine. That still leaves you a Server 2k8 
license, x64 or x86 (your choice), that you can either install on other 
hardware, or, if your first server is up to the task, it could be installed 
as a virtual machine along side the sbs virtual machine.

Note that the hyper-v role doesn't work in the SBS OS, so SBS cannot be the 
"host".

-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Les Connor [SBS MVP]

"David Carl" <DavidCarl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:7465A15A-59EE-4B55-99C9-3B02537938DE@microsoft.com...
> I have purchased SBS2008 Premium.  I was told that I needed to purchase a
> Windows 2008R2 Server license for the second server?  I thought SBS2008
> premium had licenses for both SBS2008 and Windows 2008 server and that I 
> just
> need additional user/device CALS.
>
> Also, Can I install SBS2008 AND Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
> Viitualization all on the SBS2008 box, or does it have to be installed on
> separate servers? 

SBS 2008 Premium includes the Windows Server license for the second box - 
your understanding is correct.

SBS can't be the Hyper-V host but it can be a guest.  So you can install the 
virtual SBS servers - both of them - as Hyper-V guests on one box.



"David Carl" <DavidCarl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:7465A15A-59EE-4B55-99C9-3B02537938DE@microsoft.com...
> I have purchased SBS2008 Premium.  I was told that I needed to purchase a
> Windows 2008R2 Server license for the second server?  I thought SBS2008
> premium had licenses for both SBS2008 and Windows 2008 server and that I 
> just
> need additional user/device CALS.
>
> Also, Can I install SBS2008 AND Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
> Viitualization all on the SBS2008 box, or does it have to be installed on
> separate servers? 

SBS Premium includes the SBS and a second licensed copy of Windows Server 
2008, along with a licensed copy of SQL Server for Small Business (which 
is only a name change from SQL Server 2008 to allow them to bundle it).

You do not need other copies of Server, unless you need other copies of Server.

You can run the Standard server on bare metal and virtualize SBS as one VM 
and Server (the same copy) as another VM.  You should plan on 12 to 16 GB 
RAM as a starting place for this.

-
Larry
Please post the resolution to your
issue so others may benefit
-
Get Your SBS Health Check at
www.sbsbpa.com


> I have purchased SBS2008 Premium.  I was told that I needed to
> purchase a Windows 2008R2 Server license for the second server?  I
> thought SBS2008 premium had licenses for both SBS2008 and Windows 2008
> server and that I just need additional user/device CALS.
> 
> Also, Can I install SBS2008 AND Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
> Viitualization all on the SBS2008 box, or does it have to be installed
> on separate servers?
> 

that's too funny. we're all pressing send at the same time, on the same 
post.

I'm going home now ;-)

-- 
-----------------------------------------------
Les Connor [SBS MVP]

"Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer@mis-wizards.com> wrote in message 
news:4e683515d4098cc8d076c576f53@news.microsoft.com...
> SBS Premium includes the SBS and a second licensed copy of Windows Server 
> 2008, along with a licensed copy of SQL Server for Small Business (which 
> is only a name change from SQL Server 2008 to allow them to bundle it).
>
> You do not need other copies of Server, unless you need other copies of 
> Server.
>
> You can run the Standard server on bare metal and virtualize SBS as one VM 
> and Server (the same copy) as another VM.  You should plan on 12 to 16 GB 
> RAM as a starting place for this.
>
> -
> Larry
> Please post the resolution to your
> issue so others may benefit
> -
> Get Your SBS Health Check at
> www.sbsbpa.com
>
>
>> I have purchased SBS2008 Premium.  I was told that I needed to
>> purchase a Windows 2008R2 Server license for the second server?  I
>> thought SBS2008 premium had licenses for both SBS2008 and Windows 2008
>> server and that I just need additional user/device CALS.
>>
>> Also, Can I install SBS2008 AND Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
>> Viitualization all on the SBS2008 box, or does it have to be installed
>> on separate servers?
>>
>
> 

WOW - I feel special getting all this awsome advice.

OK, question.  I have this SBS box and server for another week and a half 
before it;s going to production.  I was planning on running SBS on the new 
box and running server 2008 on the old box supporting SQL.  I purchased 
addtional STANDARD licenses for users who would only access the SBS box, and 
never the SQL database.  If I install the server 2008 as the host and SBS2008 
on the same new box, will the licenses need to be premium to access the SBS 
via the server 2008 hosting in vmode?

Thanks.


"Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" wrote:

> One more thing... if you use the Standard Server as the host os, you can 
> *only* use the Hyper-V role.  No others are allowed under the 1+1 licensing 
> model.
> 
> -
> Larry
> Please post the resolution to your
> issue so others may benefit
> -
> Get Your SBS Health Check at
> www.sbsbpa.com
> 
> 
> > SBS Premium includes the SBS and a second licensed copy of Windows
> > Server 2008, along with a licensed copy of SQL Server for Small
> > Business (which is only a name change from SQL Server 2008 to allow
> > them to bundle it).
> > 
> > You do not need other copies of Server, unless you need other copies
> > of Server.
> > 
> > You can run the Standard server on bare metal and virtualize SBS as
> > one VM and Server (the same copy) as another VM.  You should plan on
> > 12 to 16 GB RAM as a starting place for this.
> > 
> > -
> > Larry
> > Please post the resolution to your
> > issue so others may benefit
> > -
> > Get Your SBS Health Check at
> > www.sbsbpa.com
> >> I have purchased SBS2008 Premium.  I was told that I needed to
> >> purchase a Windows 2008R2 Server license for the second server?  I
> >> thought SBS2008 premium had licenses for both SBS2008 and Windows
> >> 2008 server and that I just need additional user/device CALS.
> >> 
> >> Also, Can I install SBS2008 AND Windows Server 2008 with Hyper-V
> >> Viitualization all on the SBS2008 box, or does it have to be
> >> installed on separate servers?
> >> 
> 
> 
> .
> 

On 3/8/2010 5:03 PM, David Carl wrote:
> WOW - I feel special getting all this awsome advice.
>
> OK, question.  I have this SBS box and server for another week and a half
> before it;s going to production.  I was planning on running SBS on the new
> box and running server 2008 on the old box supporting SQL.  I purchased
> addtional STANDARD licenses for users who would only access the SBS box, and
> never the SQL database.  If I install the server 2008 as the host and SBS2008
> on the same new box, will the licenses need to be premium to access the SBS
> via the server 2008 hosting in vmode?
>
> Thanks.
>

You will only need premium CALs for users accessing premium features, 
namely the full SQL Server instance on the second server. You can 
purchase standard CALs (I typically recommend User CALs instead of 
Device CALs) for all other users.

30 users with 5 accessing SQL means 25 standard CALs and 5 premium CALs.

Personal note - I am puzzled why SBS-sized customers spend on full SQL 
Server Standard. Express would normally work just as well. MS CRM 4.0 is 
a notable exception.

Here are the limitations of each edition:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc645993.aspx
-- 
Leonid S. Knyshov
Crashproof Solutions
510-282-1008
Twitter: @wiseleo
http://crashproofsolutions.com
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :)

If I had to speculate, I'd bet a lot of people went to SQL when the free 
database was MSDE and had a 2-gb database size limit - I know that was my 
reason for going to full SQL.  But now with Express, the 1 GB RAM limit 
might be somewhat of an issue as well.


"Leonid S. Knyshov // SBS Expert" 
<LeonidSKnyshovSBSExpert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:eslhvYyvKHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> On 3/8/2010 5:03 PM, David Carl wrote:
>> WOW - I feel special getting all this awsome advice.
>>
>> OK, question.  I have this SBS box and server for another week and a half
>> before it;s going to production.  I was planning on running SBS on the 
>> new
>> box and running server 2008 on the old box supporting SQL.  I purchased
>> addtional STANDARD licenses for users who would only access the SBS box, 
>> and
>> never the SQL database.  If I install the server 2008 as the host and 
>> SBS2008
>> on the same new box, will the licenses need to be premium to access the 
>> SBS
>> via the server 2008 hosting in vmode?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> You will only need premium CALs for users accessing premium features, 
> namely the full SQL Server instance on the second server. You can purchase 
> standard CALs (I typically recommend User CALs instead of Device CALs) for 
> all other users.
>
> 30 users with 5 accessing SQL means 25 standard CALs and 5 premium CALs.
>
> Personal note - I am puzzled why SBS-sized customers spend on full SQL 
> Server Standard. Express would normally work just as well. MS CRM 4.0 is a 
> notable exception.
>
> Here are the limitations of each edition:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc645993.aspx
> -- 
> Leonid S. Knyshov
> Crashproof Solutions
> 510-282-1008
> Twitter: @wiseleo
> http://crashproofsolutions.com
> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
> Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :) 

On 3/9/2010 8:32 AM, Dave Nickason [SBS MVP] wrote:
> If I had to speculate, I'd bet a lot of people went to SQL when the free
> database was MSDE and had a 2-gb database size limit - I know that was
> my reason for going to full SQL. But now with Express, the 1 GB RAM
> limit might be somewhat of an issue as well.

I don't see that 1GB RAM limitation listed anywhere for 2008.

About the only reason I can think of for CRM 4.0 requirement is due to 
replication requirement. Express can only be a subscriber, not a publisher.

It's really mostly inertia and convenience at this point.
-- 
Leonid S. Knyshov
Crashproof Solutions
510-282-1008
Twitter: @wiseleo
http://crashproofsolutions.com
Microsoft Small Business Specialist
Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :)

http://www.microsoft.com/sqlserver/2008/en/us/editions.aspx

"Leonid S. Knyshov // SBS Expert" 
<LeonidSKnyshovSBSExpert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:O$tJvu8vKHA.5036@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> On 3/9/2010 8:32 AM, Dave Nickason [SBS MVP] wrote:
>> If I had to speculate, I'd bet a lot of people went to SQL when the free
>> database was MSDE and had a 2-gb database size limit - I know that was
>> my reason for going to full SQL. But now with Express, the 1 GB RAM
>> limit might be somewhat of an issue as well.
>
> I don't see that 1GB RAM limitation listed anywhere for 2008.
>
> About the only reason I can think of for CRM 4.0 requirement is due to 
> replication requirement. Express can only be a subscriber, not a 
> publisher.
>
> It's really mostly inertia and convenience at this point.
> -- 
> Leonid S. Knyshov
> Crashproof Solutions
> 510-282-1008
> Twitter: @wiseleo
> http://crashproofsolutions.com
> Microsoft Small Business Specialist
> Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :)