"Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> kirjoitettu:
> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98,news.admin.misc  ,,, << 
> some no more!
> 
> When Microsoft  unplug  their  NNTP server it will have a big impact UseNet 
> community  because they are not servers.
> For UseNet community are nntp reserves for the NNTP server and if no NNTP 
> server there be no UseNet nntp reserves!
> 
> Now for subscribe for Microsoft I'm one are you?
> Do you have a Passport for Microsoft?
> And going to a Forums will not kill  you, but for you and your BAD INFO you 
> will get KICK OUT and that a good thing!
> And that why Microsoft  is going Forums!
> 
> 
> "Guy Ninety8" <Ninety8@com.guy> wrote in message 
> news:4BE0A718.C27CE94E@com.guy...
> > Dan wrote:
> >
> >> According to this site, Microsoft is planning on phasing out the
> >> old newsgroups and helping users transition to ...
> >>
> >> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=6097&tag=nl.e539
> >>
> >> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
> >> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
> >>
> >> Microsoft hitting 'unsubscribe' on newsgroups
> >> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm
> >
> > That will not affect the existance and continued propagation of the set
> > of newsgroups
> > with names that happen to begin with "microsoft.public."
> >
> > Those of you that don't know any better than to read this or any other
> > microsoft newsgroup via the microsoft servers and who don't know how to
> > use alternate servers will disappear, but those of us who use "regular"
> > nntp servers will continue to read and post messages to this and other
> > microsoft.public newsgroups.
> >
> > As I've said many times, Microsoft does not own or control the
> > microsoft.public set of newsgroups.  They don't act as a central
> > coordinator, aggregator, or administrator of them, nor can they censor
> > or moderate them or their content.  Many of you, for some reason,
> > believes that Microsoft does own, control, administer or coordinate
> > these groups.  That is a delusion.
> >
> > If Microsoft pulls the plug on their own NNTP server, they can certainly
> > do that, but it will have zero impact as to whether or not the
> > "world-wide" usenet community of servers will also do the same.  They
> > have no obligation to do so (legal or otherwise). 
> 

Hi,

Could someone advice a beginner newsgroup user how to read and post to this 
and other microsoft.public.newsgroups after MS pulls the plug on their
own server? What should I use instead of "msnews.microsoft.com"?
I would prefer to keep reading newsgroups, than some webforum infested
with loads of advertisements and "eye candy".

"T.K" <tuomasjk@aol.com> wrote in message 
news:%23wiQiTX7KHA.5708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
<snip>
> Could someone advice a beginner newsgroup user how to read and post to 
> this
> and other microsoft.public.newsgroups after MS pulls the plug on their
> own server? What should I use instead of "msnews.microsoft.com"?
> I would prefer to keep reading newsgroups, than some webforum infested
> with loads of advertisements and "eye candy".

Use one of these. However, they do not carry all the Microsoft Public News 
groups.

News Servers (free) search:
AIOE   http://news.aioe.org/
Albasani   http://albasani.net/index.html.en
CNNTP   http://www.cnntp.org/cnntp   -  cnntp.org
ETT   http://news.ett.com.ua/
http://www.eternal-september.org/
Tornevall   http://news.tornevall.net/
Usenet4all   http://www.usenet4all.se (blocks all posts from Google)
(Just send an e-mail to registration@usenet4all.se you will be e-mailed 
your account information)

http://www.eternal-september.org/
newsadmin@datemas.de     (send e-mail with 5-8 password)
http://aioe.org
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/faq.html
http://www.news.x-privat.org
http://www.x-privat.org/international.php
http://cust.readfreenews.net/   (for posting access)
http://www.news.readfreenews.net
http://www.readfreenews.net
news.readfreenews.net
http://www.newzbot.com/
http://ecalame.tripod.com/free.html
http://www.newsservers.net/
http://www.yottanews.com  (free.yottanews.com) 

On 05/06/2010 07:35 PM, T.K wrote:
> "Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> kirjoitettu:
>> microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98,news.admin.misc  ,,, << 
>> some no more!
>>
>> When Microsoft  unplug  their  NNTP server it will have a big impact UseNet 
>> community  because they are not servers.
>> For UseNet community are nntp reserves for the NNTP server and if no NNTP 
>> server there be no UseNet nntp reserves!
>>
>> Now for subscribe for Microsoft I'm one are you?
>> Do you have a Passport for Microsoft?
>> And going to a Forums will not kill  you, but for you and your BAD INFO you 
>> will get KICK OUT and that a good thing!
>> And that why Microsoft  is going Forums!
>>
>>
>> "Guy Ninety8" <Ninety8@com.guy> wrote in message 
>> news:4BE0A718.C27CE94E@com.guy...
>>> Dan wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to this site, Microsoft is planning on phasing out the
>>>> old newsgroups and helping users transition to ...
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=6097&tag=nl.e539
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft hitting 'unsubscribe' on newsgroups
>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm
>>>
>>> That will not affect the existance and continued propagation of the set
>>> of newsgroups
>>> with names that happen to begin with "microsoft.public."
>>>
>>> Those of you that don't know any better than to read this or any other
>>> microsoft newsgroup via the microsoft servers and who don't know how to
>>> use alternate servers will disappear, but those of us who use "regular"
>>> nntp servers will continue to read and post messages to this and other
>>> microsoft.public newsgroups.
>>>
>>> As I've said many times, Microsoft does not own or control the
>>> microsoft.public set of newsgroups.  They don't act as a central
>>> coordinator, aggregator, or administrator of them, nor can they censor
>>> or moderate them or their content.  Many of you, for some reason,
>>> believes that Microsoft does own, control, administer or coordinate
>>> these groups.  That is a delusion.
>>>
>>> If Microsoft pulls the plug on their own NNTP server, they can certainly
>>> do that, but it will have zero impact as to whether or not the
>>> "world-wide" usenet community of servers will also do the same.  They
>>> have no obligation to do so (legal or otherwise). 
>>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Could someone advice a beginner newsgroup user how to read and post to this 
> and other microsoft.public.newsgroups after MS pulls the plug on their
> own server? What should I use instead of "msnews.microsoft.com"?
> I would prefer to keep reading newsgroups, than some webforum infested
> with loads of advertisements and "eye candy".

 You don't/can't to the groups on THIS server > Microsoft. You MAY still
be able to access the supposed group on services that do not honor the
Internet standards and requirements, however you will NOT be posting to
or on Microsoft, and any information/posts will likely be from the least
informed, most prone to error individuals the planet has to offer
regardless of who they might represent themselves as. And without
Microsoft's "newsgroups" Usenet users will have no ready information to
steal and post as if it is their own, hence the level of supposed
competence will be slim, likely of the type and quality found on "urban
myth" espousing sites, or the "tin foil hat" and similar.

 So instead of moving to one of the forums offering further support from
which you can "strip" flash, ads, and other you may not want rather
easily or using RSS feeds or other offerings, you intend to subject
yourself to the mindless ramblings of those who generally need their
medications modified or are suffering from psychotic attacks..
 Basis? Just look at a large percentage of Usenets offerings; or at the
alt offerings for the things you think you want or interest you.

 Good luck.

-- 
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

MEB wrote:

> You don't/can't to the groups on THIS server > Microsoft.
> You MAY still be able to access the supposed group on services
> that do not honor the Internet standards and requirements,
> however you will NOT be posting to or on Microsoft, and any
> information/posts will likely be from the least informed, most
> prone to error individuals the planet has to offer
> regardless of who they might represent themselves as.

I'm sorry, but when you post such utter garbage as that, it must be
countered with actual, rational facts, lest others think it's the truth.

The microsoft.public hirearchy is not a hierarchy that's controlled or
governed by the standards (or the cabal) of the Big 7.  As such, there
is no standard way or accepted policy for the carriage of the
microsoft.public hierarchy and even less coordination for the systematic
removal of these groups (because it simply was never done before -
certainly not by Microsoft itself).

Microsoft's desire for these groups to exist on usenet is rooted in it's
decision back in 1996 to peer itself and it's servers with usenet.  Who
issued the original group-create messages at the time is (to me) not
known.

Once created, these groups can not be removed - at least not in any
complete or coordinated way, and also because there is no single
authoritative body that is in a position to create a policy to deem that
they *should* be removed.  Not even Microsoft itself is or can be in
this position.

What we will see are attempts by those that are hostile to Microsoft
where they will generate supposed lists of "current" or "default" usenet
newsgroups where the microsoft.public groups will be erased from those
lists, and there will no doubt be some servers that follow these lists
and will remove those groups from their servers.  There will also be
check-group or rm-group messages that will be sent out by some of these
people (Julien �LIE for one) but for the most part those will be ignored
(no self-respecting NNTP operator honors external RM-group messages). 
Microsoft itself has never, and in this case will most likely not send
any such messages itself.

As for what sort of postings will be made to this and other microsoft
groups once this D-day comes, there is no basis to speculate that they
would be any different than what occurs presently.  

MEB can choose to not point his news reader (assuming he uses a news
reader) to another server that carries this group (such as aioe,
eternal-september, etc) but he can't claim that he can't participate
simply because Microsoft no longer carries the group (but I for one
hopes he doesn't).  The signal to noise ratio of this group will improve
dramatically once he's gone.

> And without Microsoft's "newsgroups" Usenet users will have no
> ready information to steal and post as if it is their own,
> hence the level of supposed competence will be slim, likely
> of the type and quality found on "urban myth" espousing sites,
> or the "tin foil hat" and similar.

MEB is again predicting that these groups will not exist on usenet after
D-Day, and further claiming that some sort of "stealing" is currently
happening (something he has never claimed before, and for which he will
not provide any examples of).

On 05/06/2010 11:14 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
> MEB wrote:
> 
>> You don't/can't to the groups on THIS server > Microsoft.
>> You MAY still be able to access the supposed group on services
>> that do not honor the Internet standards and requirements,
>> however you will NOT be posting to or on Microsoft, and any
>> information/posts will likely be from the least informed, most
>> prone to error individuals the planet has to offer
>> regardless of who they might represent themselves as.
> 
> I'm sorry, but when you post such utter garbage as that, it must be
> countered with actual, rational facts, lest others think it's the truth.
> 
> The microsoft.public hirearchy is not a hierarchy that's controlled or
> governed by the standards (or the cabal) of the Big 7.  As such, there
> is no standard way or accepted policy for the carriage of the
> microsoft.public hierarchy and even less coordination for the systematic
> removal of these groups (because it simply was never done before -
> certainly not by Microsoft itself).

 Microsoft "governs" what it owns.

 The "Web" is governed by its controlling bodies.

 Usenet is governed by the regulations and other that apply to it.

> 
> Microsoft's desire for these groups to exist on usenet is rooted in it's
> decision back in 1996 to peer itself and it's servers with usenet.  Who
> issued the original group-create messages at the time is (to me) not
> known.

 And who are you and WHERE were you when all of this was created,, not
on the Internet, not on its predecessor, and likely not on the BBS
services..

> 
> Once created, these groups can not be removed 

 Wrong.

> 
> 
> MEB can choose to not point his news reader (assuming he uses a news
> reader) to another server that carries this group (such as aioe,
> eternal-september, etc) but he can't claim that he can't participate
> simply because Microsoft no longer carries the group (but I for one
> hopes he doesn't).  The signal to noise ratio of this group will improve
> dramatically once he's gone.

 And this group will die because IF it continues anywhere, it will fill
with parties such as yourself...

> 
>> And without Microsoft's "newsgroups" Usenet users will have no
>> ready information to steal and post as if it is their own,
>> hence the level of supposed competence will be slim, likely
>> of the type and quality found on "urban myth" espousing sites,
>> or the "tin foil hat" and similar.
> 
> MEB is again predicting that these groups will not exist on usenet after
> D-Day, and further claiming that some sort of "stealing" is currently
> happening (something he has never claimed before, and for which he will
> not provide any examples of).

 Oh cool, that ISN'T what I said nor what you quoted, did you forget to
delete it for modify the contents as usual. The groups may continue but
will fill with all those messages and users who never made ON TO
Microsoft's servers; all the flames, cussing, and all the filtered [some
which Microsoft let through these last few months just to see what WAS
going on].

 Nor is what I have previously shown right here in this group regarding
you and some of your postings and where those actually came from.

 Now here's a bit of reality.

 I warned Usenet generally about *you* and your postings.

 I warned about what parties such as yourself TRY to succeed in doing,
taking over newsgroups and/or killing them.

 If anyone wants to cast blame for the closure of this server and
service, its because of you and your like; the thieves, the pirates, the
trolls, and people who can not control themselves and act like adults.
That's *you* 98-Virus-XP-whatever Guy. You have a feather for your cap
but you have one less place to spread your trash...

 And here's what I posted to you on 04/17/2010 in the
 Re: upgrade from win98 to winxp?
where you again suggested pirated Microsoft software links and even
suggested stealing a friend's Key for activation.

"Remember YOU determined how this proceeds..."

-- 
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

"MEB" <MEB-not-here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2385glsZ7KHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>  And this group will die because IF it continues anywhere, it will fill
> with parties such as yourself...

Are you aware that MVPs post to other groups not carried by Microsoft
"server" ?
Check out  alt.windows7 for a start.

Now you say right here:::: Use one of these. However, they do not carry all 
the Microsoft Public News  groups. {{{ Sunny

and I say that they repost here and when there is no more 
microsoft.public.newsgroups there be nom more RePosting by  USENETS!


"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message 
news:uesN#bX7KHA.2220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "T.K" <tuomasjk@aol.com> wrote in message 
> news:%23wiQiTX7KHA.5708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> <snip>
>> Could someone advice a beginner newsgroup user how to read and post to 
>> this
>> and other microsoft.public.newsgroups after MS pulls the plug on their
>> own server? What should I use instead of "msnews.microsoft.com"?
>> I would prefer to keep reading newsgroups, than some webforum infested
>> with loads of advertisements and "eye candy".
>
> Use one of these. However, they do not carry all the Microsoft Public News 
> groups.
>
> News Servers (free) search:
> AIOE   http://news.aioe.org/
> Albasani   http://albasani.net/index.html.en
> CNNTP   http://www.cnntp.org/cnntp   -  cnntp.org
> ETT   http://news.ett.com.ua/
> http://www.eternal-september.org/
> Tornevall   http://news.tornevall.net/
> Usenet4all   http://www.usenet4all.se (blocks all posts from Google)
> (Just send an e-mail to registration@usenet4all.se you will be e-mailed 
> your account information)
>
> http://www.eternal-september.org/
> newsadmin@datemas.de     (send e-mail with 5-8 password)
> http://aioe.org
> http://freenews.maxbaud.net/
> http://freenews.maxbaud.net/faq.html
> http://www.news.x-privat.org
> http://www.x-privat.org/international.php
> http://cust.readfreenews.net/   (for posting access)
> http://www.news.readfreenews.net
> http://www.readfreenews.net
> news.readfreenews.net
> http://www.newzbot.com/
> http://ecalame.tripod.com/free.html  Sorry, but the page or the file that 
> you're looking for is not here.
> http://www.newsservers.net/
> http://www.yottanews.com  (free.yottanews.com)
> 

MEB for 98 Guy will END  with the groups. Now that a good Thing  do you 
believe that!   ; )

"MEB" <MEB-not-here@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:#85glsZ7KHA.3924@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> On 05/06/2010 11:14 PM, 98 Guy wrote:
>> MEB wrote:
>>
>>> You don't/can't to the groups on THIS server > Microsoft.
>>> You MAY still be able to access the supposed group on services
>>> that do not honor the Internet standards and requirements,
>>> however you will NOT be posting to or on Microsoft, and any
>>> information/posts will likely be from the least informed, most
>>> prone to error individuals the planet has to offer
>>> regardless of who they might represent themselves as.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but when you post such utter garbage as that, it must be
>> countered with actual, rational facts, lest others think it's the truth.
>>
>> The microsoft.public hirearchy is not a hierarchy that's controlled or
>> governed by the standards (or the cabal) of the Big 7.  As such, there
>> is no standard way or accepted policy for the carriage of the
>> microsoft.public hierarchy and even less coordination for the systematic
>> removal of these groups (because it simply was never done before -
>> certainly not by Microsoft itself).
>
> Microsoft "governs" what it owns.
>
> The "Web" is governed by its controlling bodies.
>
> Usenet is governed by the regulations and other that apply to it.
>
>>
>> Microsoft's desire for these groups to exist on usenet is rooted in it's
>> decision back in 1996 to peer itself and it's servers with usenet.  Who
>> issued the original group-create messages at the time is (to me) not
>> known.
>
> And who are you and WHERE were you when all of this was created,, not
> on the Internet, not on its predecessor, and likely not on the BBS
> services..
>
>>
>> Once created, these groups can not be removed
>
> Wrong.
>
>>
>>
>> MEB can choose to not point his news reader (assuming he uses a news
>> reader) to another server that carries this group (such as aioe,
>> eternal-september, etc) but he can't claim that he can't participate
>> simply because Microsoft no longer carries the group (but I for one
>> hopes he doesn't).  The signal to noise ratio of this group will improve
>> dramatically once he's gone.
>
> And this group will die because IF it continues anywhere, it will fill
> with parties such as yourself...
>
>>
>>> And without Microsoft's "newsgroups" Usenet users will have no
>>> ready information to steal and post as if it is their own,
>>> hence the level of supposed competence will be slim, likely
>>> of the type and quality found on "urban myth" espousing sites,
>>> or the "tin foil hat" and similar.
>>
>> MEB is again predicting that these groups will not exist on usenet after
>> D-Day, and further claiming that some sort of "stealing" is currently
>> happening (something he has never claimed before, and for which he will
>> not provide any examples of).
>
> Oh cool, that ISN'T what I said nor what you quoted, did you forget to
> delete it for modify the contents as usual. The groups may continue but
> will fill with all those messages and users who never made ON TO
> Microsoft's servers; all the flames, cussing, and all the filtered [some
> which Microsoft let through these last few months just to see what WAS
> going on].
>
> Nor is what I have previously shown right here in this group regarding
> you and some of your postings and where those actually came from.
>
> Now here's a bit of reality.
>
> I warned Usenet generally about *you* and your postings.
>
> I warned about what parties such as yourself TRY to succeed in doing,
> taking over newsgroups and/or killing them.
>
> If anyone wants to cast blame for the closure of this server and
> service, its because of you and your like; the thieves, the pirates, the
> trolls, and people who can not control themselves and act like adults.
> That's *you* 98-Virus-XP-whatever Guy. You have a feather for your cap
> but you have one less place to spread your trash...
>
> And here's what I posted to you on 04/17/2010 in the
> Re: upgrade from win98 to winxp?
> where you again suggested pirated Microsoft software links and even
> suggested stealing a friend's Key for activation.
>
> "Remember YOU determined how this proceeds..."
>
> -- 
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
> Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
> http://peoplescounsel.org
> The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
> ___---