Well, that certainly didn't take long.

I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.

Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.

http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif

Example...
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c

Go figure...  <LOL>

Karl E. Peterson formulated on Thursday :
> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>
> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>
> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>
> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>
> Example...
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c
>
> Go figure...  <LOL>

Actually, it was this post that gave me the idea:

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/1380bbe7-1a63-4471-93e6-678191bf3586/#3af62191-28b9-4a29-9d4e-e58b5b60df1c

So all I was doing, the way I saw things, was following accepted 
practice.  Anyone disagree?  <innocent eyeroll>

Karl E. Peterson wrote on 6/10/2010 :
> Karl E. Peterson formulated on Thursday :
>> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>>
>> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>>
>> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>>
>> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>>
>> Example...
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c
>>
>> Go figure...  <LOL>
>
> Actually, it was this post that gave me the idea:
>
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/1380bbe7-1a63-4471-93e6-678191bf3586/#3af62191-28b9-4a29-9d4e-e58b5b60df1c
>
> So all I was doing, the way I saw things, was following accepted practice.  
> Anyone disagree?  <innocent eyeroll>

Why would a user be banned from the Forums?
A user may be banned from Forums for using abusive language in posts, 
display names, using an abusive avatar, or spamming, among other 
undesirable activities. Each case is considered carefully and a user is 
generally banned only if there is no other recourse, or the abusive 
action is repeated and blatant.
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/help#197

Huh.  Well, I'm not sure how any of that applies...

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelelsen 
news:huria0$s0a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Karl E. Peterson formulated on Thursday :
>> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>>
>> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>>
>> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>>
>> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>>
>> Example...
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c
>>
>> Go figure...  <LOL>
>
> Actually, it was this post that gave me the idea:
>
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/1380bbe7-1a63-4471-93e6-678191bf3586/#3af62191-28b9-4a29-9d4e-e58b5b60df1c
>
> So all I was doing, the way I saw things, was following accepted practice. 
> Anyone disagree?  <innocent eyeroll>
>
 Those moderators are young people --  the others too.
It's not only on forums and internet one meets arrogance to an
extend of sickness. In this country where I live, it's dangerous walking
on the pavement. Where speed-limits are 30 miles/hour, they come racing at
80 miles/hour. Even in winter with ice/snow cover. While servicing their
mobile behind the wheel. It's not a few - it's all.
But, welcome on board, Carl.
Same happend for me on social.expression. Doesn't matter in my case at all.
But serious for the vb petition.
Did you ever visit the "virtual pc guy". Were there and read some of his
answers. One goes like this.:
Sorry, I can't answer you question or help you, as you have showned
profanity. He had posted a script to drive the disc-drive. A visitor was a
bit -just a little bit - flamish that no comment followed on installing
the script.
A typical MSFT I concluded.
/se

/se

Karl E. Peterson pretended :
> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>
> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>
> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>
> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif

Next thread to be deleted, I predict...

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/3f138181-28a6-4916-9d7d-e7023a899479

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet 
news:hurq2c$t5i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Karl E. Peterson pretended :
>> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>>
>> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>>
>> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>>
>> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>
> Next thread to be deleted, I predict...
>
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/3f138181-28a6-4916-9d7d-e7023a899479
>
>

At the top of that page is another reason to dislike forums...

The Forums, Profile, and Search sites will be undergoing system maintenance 
on June 10, 2010 from 3:00PM to 6:00PM (PDT). During this time, you may see 
occasional errors, point updates and alerts may be delayed. We thank you for 
your patience.

Equal to: Sorry but we have to suspend NNTP for system maintenance...

/Henning

Henning pretended :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> skrev i meddelandet 
> news:hurq2c$t5i$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Karl E. Peterson pretended :
>>> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>>>
>>> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>>>
>>> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>>>
>>> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>>
>> Next thread to be deleted, I predict...
>>
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/3f138181-28a6-4916-9d7d-e7023a899479
>>
>>
>
> At the top of that page is another reason to dislike forums...
>
> The Forums, Profile, and Search sites will be undergoing system maintenance 
> on June 10, 2010 from 3:00PM to 6:00PM (PDT). During this time, you may see 
> occasional errors, point updates and alerts may be delayed. We thank you for 
> your patience.
>
> Equal to: Sorry but we have to suspend NNTP for system maintenance...

Yeah, that made me chuckle, too.  I honestly don't see why folks put up 
with it.

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
news:hurhtd$orr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
: Well, that certainly didn't take long.
:
: I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.

You knew that was going to happen eventually.  You can only point out the 
flaws of the host for so long before they nazi you out of there.

: Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
:
: http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif

OMFG!!!  I am *SO* sorry I missed that.  Classic.

: Example...
: 
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c
:

The banner I see on your sig via that link is the VBA7 banner.  :\ 

On your behalf, I replied:

And so your quest for dingleballs has started.  So sad.  Has it really come 
down to demanding someone else do such a thing for additional dingleballs 
underneath you?
Methinks you have not earned enough balls to ask for such a favour.


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Bawwk!  Paulie want a dingleball, bawwk! 

on 6/10/2010, C. Kevin Provance supposed :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
> news:hurhtd$orr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>> 
>> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>
> You knew that was going to happen eventually.  You can only point out the 
> flaws of the host for so long before they nazi you out of there.

Yeah, but I hate it when the line snaps before I even get a good look 
at what fish took the bait. <bg>

>> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>> 
>> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>
> OMFG!!!  I am *SO* sorry I missed that.  Classic.

Couldn't resist.  :-)

>> Example...
>>  
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c
>
> The banner I see on your sig via that link is the VBA7 banner.  :\ 

Yeah, I've started a few new threads of the "I've been banned!" 
variety, so I had to give a little more line in order to have hopes of 
setting another hook.

Oh, and guess what?  There *are* highly active French and Spanish VB6 
forums on that server!  It's just the English speaking customers 
they're telling to GO POUND SAND!

Here's a VB6 forum in French: 
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads

Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish: 
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads

C. Kevin Provance wrote on 6/10/2010 :
> On your behalf, I replied:
>
> And so your quest for dingleballs has started.  So sad.  Has it really come 
> down to demanding someone else do such a thing for additional dingleballs 
> underneath you?
> Methinks you have not earned enough balls to ask for such a favour.

Well, c'mon man, it /was/ mockery, eh?

But hey, a guy really needs a nice pair, dontcha think?  That single 
dangler just didn't do much for me, and I was so close! <vbg>

Karl E. Peterson formulated on Thursday :
> C. Kevin Provance wrote on 6/10/2010 :
>> On your behalf, I replied:
>>
>> And so your quest for dingleballs has started.  So sad.  Has it really come 
>> down to demanding someone else do such a thing for additional dingleballs 
>> underneath you?
>> Methinks you have not earned enough balls to ask for such a favour.
>
> Well, c'mon man, it /was/ mockery, eh?
>
> But hey, a guy really needs a nice pair, dontcha think?  That single dangler 
> just didn't do much for me, and I was so close! <vbg>

LOL!  Ohhhhkay, I see what you meant, now.  Know what?  That guy is 
apparently free to ask for dingleball votes.  As are others.  That's my 
justification for the banner that rotated through, as I see it.  Hell, 
more than my justification, that was my inspiration!  
Bwaaahaahahahahaaaa...

Btw, as you'll see, just because they "banned" my account, does not 
mean I lost access. <g>

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
news:hus13a$kns$1@news.eternal-september.org...
: LOL!  Ohhhhkay, I see what you meant, now.  Know what?  That guy is
: apparently free to ask for dingleball votes.  As are others.  That's my
: justification for the banner that rotated through, as I see it.  Hell,
: more than my justification, that was my inspiration!
: Bwaaahaahahahahaaaa...

: Btw, as you'll see, just because they "banned" my account, does not
: mean I lost access. <g>

I suppose it depends on the design of their system.  With MediaWiki (what 
most reputable wikis use), one can be banned either by username and/or IP. 
If MSFT decied to ban your IP, you'll need to get creative.  I have 
suggestions for you if it comes to that.  If it's good enough to circumvent 
wikis and irc, it should be good enough for MSFT's excuse for a forum.  <eg>


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Bawwk!  Paulie want a dingleball, bawwk! 

C. Kevin Provance wrote:
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
> news:hus13a$kns$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> LOL!  Ohhhhkay, I see what you meant, now.  Know what?  That guy is
>> apparently free to ask for dingleball votes.  As are others.  That's my
>> justification for the banner that rotated through, as I see it.  Hell,
>> more than my justification, that was my inspiration!
>> Bwaaahaahahahahaaaa...
>
>> Btw, as you'll see, just because they "banned" my account, does not
>> mean I lost access. <g>
>
> I suppose it depends on the design of their system.  With MediaWiki (what 
> most reputable wikis use), one can be banned either by username and/or IP. 
> If MSFT decied to ban your IP, you'll need to get creative.  I have 
> suggestions for you if it comes to that.  If it's good enough to circumvent 
> wikis and irc, it should be good enough for MSFT's excuse for a forum.  <eg>

They use pissport. <g>  And, they couldn't ban my IP without banning 
lots and lots of other customers, either.  I think I'm covered, for now 
at least.  But ya just never know, I suppose.

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"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote

> Why would a user be banned from the Forums?
> A user may be banned from Forums for using abusive language in posts,
> display names, using an abusive avatar, or spamming, among other
> undesirable activities. Each case is considered carefully and a user is
> generally banned only if there is no other recourse, or the abusive
> action is repeated and blatant.
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/help#197
>
> Huh.  Well, I'm not sure how any of that applies...


C'mon Karl...

You're not anything if not blatant!

<g>
LFS

Larry Serflaten explained :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote
>
>> Why would a user be banned from the Forums?
>> A user may be banned from Forums for using abusive language in posts,
>> display names, using an abusive avatar, or spamming, among other
>> undesirable activities. Each case is considered carefully and a user is
>> generally banned only if there is no other recourse, or the abusive
>> action is repeated and blatant.
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/help#197
>> 
>> Huh.  Well, I'm not sure how any of that applies...
>
>
> C'mon Karl...
>
> You're not anything if not blatant!
>
> <g>
> LFS

I just wanted another dingleball...  <sniff>

Hi Karl,

Karl E. Peterson schrieb:

> ...
> Oh, and guess what?  There *are* highly active French and Spanish VB6 
> forums on that server!  It's just the English speaking customers they're 
> telling to GO POUND SAND!
> 
> Here's a VB6 forum in French: 
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads
> 
> Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish: 
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads


Glad to see you found those. I used the existence of those to plea for a 
VB6 german forum. We have it now, although under the misleading title

"Visual Basic 6.0 - Interoperabilit�t und Upgrade"

named after the english forum

"Visual Basic Interop and Upgrade"

However the chartas differ:

"Diskutieren Sie hier Visual Basic 6.0 (VB6)-Themen oder besprechen Sie, 
wie Sie Ihre Anwendung von VB6 zu VB.NET migrieren k�nnen."

roughly translated to

"Discuss Visual Basic 6.0 (VB6)-themes or discuss how to migrate your 
application from VB6 to VB.NET".

In opposite the english forum charta:

"Discuss how to do upgrades of VB6 code to VB.NET. Covers questions on 
interop features, Interop Forms Toolkit, Upgrade wizard, but NOT for 
questions about VB6."

See the difference?

Ongoing efforts try to switch at least forum naming.

German VB6 forum link:

<http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/de-DE/vbklassikde/threads>

Note the vbklassikde part :-)

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"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote

> >> Here's a VB6 forum in French:
> >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads
> >>
> >> Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish:
> >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads
> >
> > Those miserable bastards.  They would have to start giving MVPs for classic
> > VB, wouldn't they?  And they don't want to do that.
>
> Tell it to the horse: steveb@microsoft.com  :-)


I would send off an email if I thought I might actually use an english
forum.  But adding a similar forum for english speakers just isn't
a remedy for the mess they've created....

LFS

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
news:hus3l0$8qm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
: > C'mon Karl...
: >
: > You're not anything if not blatant!
: >
: > <g>
: > LFS
:
: I just wanted another dingleball...  <sniff>

I sympathize.  Every man is entitled to a pair of dingleballs.



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Bawwk!  Paulie want a dingleball, bawwk! 

Ulrich Korndoerfer wrote:
>> Here's a VB6 forum in French: 
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads
>> 
>> Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish: 
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads
>
> Glad to see you found those.

I was too.  It helped me shame a few folks in Redmond who told me there 
wouldn't be any VB6 forums at all.  I could say, "See, they lied to 
you, too!"

> I used the existence of those to plea for a VB6 
> german forum. We have it now, although under the misleading title
>
> "Visual Basic 6.0 - Interoperabilit�t und Upgrade"
>
> named after the english forum
>
> "Visual Basic Interop and Upgrade"

Interesting!

> However the chartas differ:
>
> "Diskutieren Sie hier Visual Basic 6.0 (VB6)-Themen oder besprechen Sie, wie 
> Sie Ihre Anwendung von VB6 zu VB.NET migrieren k�nnen."
>
> roughly translated to
>
> "Discuss Visual Basic 6.0 (VB6)-themes or discuss how to migrate your 
> application from VB6 to VB.NET".
>
> In opposite the english forum charta:
>
> "Discuss how to do upgrades of VB6 code to VB.NET. Covers questions on 
> interop features, Interop Forms Toolkit, Upgrade wizard, but NOT for 
> questions about VB6."
>
> See the difference?

Oh yeah!  Big effin difference!

> Ongoing efforts try to switch at least forum naming.
>
> German VB6 forum link:
>
> <http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/de-DE/vbklassikde/threads>
>
> Note the vbklassikde part :-)

I like that.  I like that A LOT!  :-D

Thanks...   Karl

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C. Kevin Provance wrote:
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
> news:hus3l0$8qm$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> C'mon Karl...
>>> 
>>> You're not anything if not blatant!
>>> 
>>> <g>
>>> LFS
>> 
>> I just wanted another dingleball...  <sniff>
>
> I sympathize.  Every man is entitled to a pair of dingleballs.

Truer words...

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Larry Serflaten wrote:
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote
>
>>>> Here's a VB6 forum in French:
>>>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads
>>>> 
>>>> Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish:
>>>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads
>>> 
>>> Those miserable bastards.  They would have to start giving MVPs for classic
>>> VB, wouldn't they?  And they don't want to do that.
>> 
>> Tell it to the horse: steveb@microsoft.com  :-)
>
> I would send off an email if I thought I might actually use an english
> forum.  But adding a similar forum for english speakers just isn't
> a remedy for the mess they've created....

Oh, I agree with that.  It'd take away some of the "outlaw" aspect, 
too.  What fun would that be?

The more I play in the forums, the more I'm convinced I'll be here on 
usenet until it really is shot and killed for good.

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Larry Serflaten wrote:
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote
>
>>>> Here's a VB6 forum in French:
>>>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads
>>>> 
>>>> Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish:
>>>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads
>>> 
>>> Those miserable bastards.  They would have to start giving MVPs for classic
>>> VB, wouldn't they?  And they don't want to do that.
>> 
>> Tell it to the horse: steveb@microsoft.com  :-)
>
> I would send off an email if I thought I might actually use an english
> forum.  But adding a similar forum for english speakers just isn't
> a remedy for the mess they've created....

Oh, I agree with that.  It'd take away some of the "outlaw" aspect, 
too.  What fun would that be?

The more I play in the forums, the more I'm convinced I'll be here on 
usenet until it really is shot and killed for good.

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"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
news:e6D4ziQCLHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
: > Note the vbklassikde part :-)
:
: I like that.  I like that A LOT!  :-D
:

If memory serves, wasn't it you who coined the "VB Classic" term?  I think 
MSFT owes you some royalties on that, if so.


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Bawwk!  Paulie want a dingleball, bawwk! 

Ulrich Korndoerfer laid this down on his screen :
> Hi,
>
> C. Kevin Provance schrieb:
>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
>> news:hus0mu$ici$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> : Oh, and guess what?  There *are* highly active French and Spanish VB6
>> : forums on that server!  It's just the English speaking customers
>> : they're telling to GO POUND SAND!
>> :
>> : Here's a VB6 forum in French:
>> : http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads
>> :
>> : Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish:
>> : http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads
>> 
>> 
>> Whoa, whoa...hold on.  MSFT setup up VB6 forums, specifically for the frogs 
>> and the mexis?  But refuse to give the country of their fucking origin a 
>> proper VB6 forum?  WTF is up with that?  Is there some political motive 
>> behind that decision?
>> ...
>
> Perhaps because those frogs and mexis asked? Germans have a VB6 forum too. 
> May be because those german nazis still are alive?

http://www.funnyforumpics.com//forums/WTF/1/WTF-Army_radio.jpg  <gd&r>

To be fair, a few English speaking folks have asked, as well.

C. Kevin Provance wrote on 6/10/2010 :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
> news:e6D4ziQCLHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Note the vbklassikde part :-)
>> 
>> I like that.  I like that A LOT!  :-D
>> 
>
> If memory serves, wasn't it you who coined the "VB Classic" term?  I think 
> MSFT owes you some royalties on that, if so.

I'm holding out for their offer on www.classicvb.net  ;-)

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
news:hus6r5$if$1@news.eternal-september.org...
:
: I'm holding out for their offer on www.classicvb.net  ;-)
:

Is that to say, they have made a previous offer, which would have been a 
lowball offer?  If so, I wonder why they want that URL so bad?  When I 
registered aoladdons.com, AOL's lawyers threatened me in all kinds of ways 
to relinquish the domain, only offering me what I paid to register it for 
the three years I had left on it.

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Bawwk!  Paulie want a dingleball, bawwk! 

"Ulrich Korndoerfer" <ulrich_wants_nospam@prosource.de> wrote in message 
news:hus7ss$hs$1@online.de...
:
: Ok, I am reacting quite allergic on discrimination, although I try *not*
: to be political correct :-).
:
: On the other side, may be that for americans frogs and mexis are just
: funny names. We germans have some too ;-) But at least a spanish ng is
: for spanish (nationwise) people, not for spanish speaking people.

::sigh::

I'm not discriminating.  If I had been, I would have used a much more 
unpolitically correct terms for both folks.  For the record, I am a French 
(Provance, duh!), German, British mutt.  So I break balls on my own hertiage 
when I can.  I pick on Americans just the same (you know, the yanks) as I am 
far more British in my mannerism than anything else.

Put another way, I pick on everyone, regardless of race, gender, 
nationality, sex, etc,etc.  After putting up with by rants for all these 
years, you should know that by now.  <g>

The only folks I truly despise, besides the .Nxt evangelists are the 
numbwits who use stupid nicknames on Usenet, instead of their real identity. 
There is *no* reason for that except to hide...and most only do that to be 
anonymous cowards.  And so that segues back to "eternal september".  F'ing 
AOL.


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Bawwk!  Paulie want a dingleball, bawwk! 

Hi,

C. Kevin Provance schrieb:
> "Ulrich Korndoerfer" <ulrich_wants_nospam@prosource.de> wrote in message 
> news:hus7ss$hs$1@online.de...
> :
> : Ok, I am reacting quite allergic on discrimination, although I try *not*
> : to be political correct :-).
> :
> : On the other side, may be that for americans frogs and mexis are just
> : funny names. We germans have some too ;-) But at least a spanish ng is
> : for spanish (nationwise) people, not for spanish speaking people.
> 
> ::sigh::
> 
> I'm not discriminating.  If I had been, I would have used a much more 
> unpolitically correct terms for both folks.  For the record, I am a French 
> (Provance, duh!), German, British mutt.  So I break balls on my own hertiage 
> when I can.  I pick on Americans just the same (you know, the yanks) as I am 
> far more British in my mannerism than anything else.
> 
> Put another way, I pick on everyone, regardless of race, gender, 
> nationality, sex, etc,etc.  After putting up with by rants for all these 
> years, you should know that by now.  <g>
> 
> The only folks I truly despise, besides the .Nxt evangelists are the 
> numbwits who use stupid nicknames on Usenet, instead of their real identity. 
> There is *no* reason for that except to hide...and most only do that to be 
> anonymous cowards.  And so that segues back to "eternal september".  F'ing 
> AOL.
> 
> 

Thanks for your clarification (or justification?). I am not a native 
english speaker.

Your rants did not reveal your background. They are sometimes annoying, 
generating noise (IMHO) in this NG. Although others do so too. :-)

I appreciate your answer, especially because you took it for granted 
(::sigh::), that everyone here knows you in depth :-)

-- 
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Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in
news:hurhtd$orr$1@news.eternal-september.org: 

> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
> 
> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
> 
> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so
> well. 
> 
> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
> 
> Example...
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thre
> ad/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-
> b034-1ed658d6e87c 
> 
> Go figure...  <LOL>

Is that the forum recommended for 'VB' users ?

So there's no distinction made between VBc and VB.xxx ?

How lame. (And again....no hierarchy so I don't know who 
replying to whom.)

"C. Kevin Provance" <*@*.*> wrote

> If memory serves, wasn't it you who coined the "VB Classic" term?  I think
> MSFT owes you some royalties on that, if so.


The way I remember it was that I was the first to combine those two terms
back in the OffRamp in the DevX newsgroups.  Then a while later some guy
came around and said he was the first to use it but the dated posts showed
he wasn't first in the forums.

That was so many years ago now, and as far as I know, the OffRamp was
never archived, so its impossible to prove one way or another....

LFS

Ulrich Korndoerfer was thinking very hard :
>>> May be because those german nazis still are alive?
>> 
>> http://www.funnyforumpics.com//forums/WTF/1/WTF-Army_radio.jpg  <gd&r>
>
> WTF: is that the point?

Heh, yeah, sorry about that.  I needed to find a fairly inoffensive way 
of posting that to the forums, and saw that.  I'd actually just 
included it there, came over here, and see you'd posted about the 
Nazis, and, well...  Just seemed like some sort of cosmic coincidence. 
<g>

> Ok, I am reacting quite allergic on discrimination, although I try *not* to 
> be political correct :-).

Point on your side!  :-)

> On the other side, may be that for americans frogs and mexis are just funny 
> names. We germans have some too ;-) But at least a spanish ng is for spanish 
> (nationwise) people, not for spanish speaking people.

It used to be very common here, back in the days of Archie Bunker, but 
not really anymore.  I don't take offense on behalf of others, but I 
see no reason to be offensive either. <shrug>

>> To be fair, a few English speaking folks have asked, as well.
>
> Did not doubt that, however it was not made public.

The requests?  Or an actual new group?

C. Kevin Provance formulated on Thursday :
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote...
>> 
>> I'm holding out for their offer on www.classicvb.net  ;-)
>
> Is that to say, they have made a previous offer, which would have been a 
> lowball offer?  If so, I wonder why they want that URL so bad?  

Ah, sorry for that impression, no.  They haven't.  I really doubt they 
will.  Not while Ballmer's still there.

> When I 
> registered aoladdons.com, AOL's lawyers threatened me in all kinds of ways 
> to relinquish the domain, only offering me what I paid to register it for 
> the three years I had left on it.

I actually expect to hear from Coke's lawyers before Microsoft's. <g>

Larry Serflaten used his keyboard to write :
> "C. Kevin Provance" <*@*.*> wrote
>
>> If memory serves, wasn't it you who coined the "VB Classic" term?  I think
>> MSFT owes you some royalties on that, if so.
>
> The way I remember it was that I was the first to combine those two terms
> back in the OffRamp in the DevX newsgroups.  Then a while later some guy
> came around and said he was the first to use it but the dated posts showed
> he wasn't first in the forums.
>
> That was so many years ago now, and as far as I know, the OffRamp was
> never archived, so its impossible to prove one way or another....

I don't honestly recall where I first heard it.  But I certainly liked 
it, and have done my best to help propogate it!

DanS used his keyboard to write :
>> Example...
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c 
>> 
>> Go figure...  <LOL>
>
> Is that the forum recommended for 'VB' users ?
>
> So there's no distinction made between VBc and VB.xxx ?
>
> How lame. (And again....no hierarchy so I don't know who 
> replying to whom.)

Totally lame.  They're backpedalling fast, saying now that they didn't 
mean to invite us over there.  And really, the message was supposed to 
be "GTFO!"  Too late. <eg>

Karl E. Peterson schrieb:

>>> To be fair, a few English speaking folks have asked, as well.
>>
>> Did not doubt that, however it was not made public.
> 
> The requests?  Or an actual new group?

The request to open up a new VB6 MS forum. In microsoft.public.de.vb 
there was a discussion about the missing VB6 forum for germans and 
wether there should be made efforts to establish one.

-- 
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Ulrich Korndoerfer explained on 6/11/2010 :
> Karl E. Peterson schrieb:
>
>>>> To be fair, a few English speaking folks have asked, as well.
>>>
>>> Did not doubt that, however it was not made public.
>> 
>> The requests?  Or an actual new group?
>
> The request to open up a new VB6 MS forum. In microsoft.public.de.vb there 
> was a discussion about the missing VB6 forum for germans and wether there 
> should be made efforts to establish one.

So you think discussing it publicly on the newsgroups mattered?  That's 
interesting.  Microsoft has actively avoided this group for years!

"Ulrich Korndoerfer" <ulrich_wants_nospam@prosource.de> wrote in message 
news:hutsj9$9q1$1@online.de...

> The request to open up a new VB6 MS forum. In
> microsoft.public.de.vb there was a discussion about
> the missing VB6 forum for germans and wether there
> should be made efforts to establish one.

Actually, as far as Micro$oft is concerned, you're quite fortunate in 
Germany. At least when you pay Microsoft's exorbitant prices for a German 
copy of Windows it does actually use the German language. Here in England we 
are not so fortunate. They rip us off just the same for what they pretend is 
an English version of windows, but it is just a lie, they are ripping us off 
for no cost whatsoever to themselves, it is all in American!

Mike

Hi Karl,

Karl E. Peterson schrieb:
> Ulrich Korndoerfer explained on 6/11/2010 :
>> Karl E. Peterson schrieb:
>>
>>>>> To be fair, a few English speaking folks have asked, as well.
>>>>
>>>> Did not doubt that, however it was not made public.
>>>
>>> The requests?  Or an actual new group?
>>
>> The request to open up a new VB6 MS forum. In microsoft.public.de.vb 
>> there was a discussion about the missing VB6 forum for germans and 
>> wether there should be made efforts to establish one.
> 
> So you think discussing it publicly on the newsgroups mattered?  That's 
> interesting.  Microsoft has actively avoided this group for years!

I do not believe that it helped much to convince MS to establish a VB6 
forum. However it helped to see wether the people in 
microsoft.public.de.vb are interested in such a forum.

-- 
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"Ulrich Korndoerfer" <ulrich_wants_nospam@prosource.de> wrote in message 
news:huu5om$hmn$1@online.de...
:
: I do not believe that it helped much to convince MS to establish a VB6
: forum. However it helped to see wether the people in
: microsoft.public.de.vb are interested in such a forum.

Does Germany fall under the EU?  If so, MSFT doesn't like to piss those 
folks off.  Maybe they give everyone on the other side of the pond special 
attention as not to get bitch slapped with more fines?


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Bawwk!  Paulie want a dingleball, bawwk! 

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:15:27 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org>
wrote:

>C. Kevin Provance formulated on Thursday :
>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote...
>>> 
>>> I'm holding out for their offer on www.classicvb.net  ;-)
>>
>> Is that to say, they have made a previous offer, which would have been a 
>> lowball offer?  If so, I wonder why they want that URL so bad?  
>
>Ah, sorry for that impression, no.  They haven't.  I really doubt they 
>will.  Not while Ballmer's still there.
>
>> When I 
>> registered aoladdons.com, AOL's lawyers threatened me in all kinds of ways 
>> to relinquish the domain, only offering me what I paid to register it for 
>> the three years I had left on it.
>
>I actually expect to hear from Coke's lawyers before Microsoft's. <g>
>
To this day I believe Randy Birch would have a pretty good case for
copyright infringement against MS for essentially pirating "vbnet"
(despite the dot that distinguishes the two ID's). All dependent, of
course, on Randy having the financial resources for what would no
doubt prove to be a *very* protracted journey through the legal
system.
Then again, I'm not a lawyer so I could just be full of it!

RW

After serious thinking RW wrote :
> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:15:27 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org>
> wrote:
>
>> C. Kevin Provance formulated on Thursday :
>>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote...
>>>> 
>>>> I'm holding out for their offer on www.classicvb.net  ;-)
>>> 
>>> Is that to say, they have made a previous offer, which would have been a 
>>> lowball offer?  If so, I wonder why they want that URL so bad?  
>> 
>> Ah, sorry for that impression, no.  They haven't.  I really doubt they 
>> will.  Not while Ballmer's still there.
>> 
>>> When I 
>>> registered aoladdons.com, AOL's lawyers threatened me in all kinds of ways 
>>> to relinquish the domain, only offering me what I paid to register it for 
>>> the three years I had left on it.
>> 
>> I actually expect to hear from Coke's lawyers before Microsoft's. <g>
>> 
> To this day I believe Randy Birch would have a pretty good case for
> copyright infringement against MS for essentially pirating "vbnet"
> (despite the dot that distinguishes the two ID's). All dependent, of
> course, on Randy having the financial resources for what would no
> doubt prove to be a *very* protracted journey through the legal
> system.
> Then again, I'm not a lawyer so I could just be full of it!

I'll bet if he wanted to pursue it, there'd be a legal team just 
itching to do it on contingency. <g>

On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:34:59 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org>
wrote:

>After serious thinking RW wrote :
>> On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:15:27 -0700, Karl E. Peterson <karl@exmvps.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> C. Kevin Provance formulated on Thursday :
>>>> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm holding out for their offer on www.classicvb.net  ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Is that to say, they have made a previous offer, which would have been a 
>>>> lowball offer?  If so, I wonder why they want that URL so bad?  
>>> 
>>> Ah, sorry for that impression, no.  They haven't.  I really doubt they 
>>> will.  Not while Ballmer's still there.
>>> 
>>>> When I 
>>>> registered aoladdons.com, AOL's lawyers threatened me in all kinds of ways 
>>>> to relinquish the domain, only offering me what I paid to register it for 
>>>> the three years I had left on it.
>>> 
>>> I actually expect to hear from Coke's lawyers before Microsoft's. <g>
>>> 
>> To this day I believe Randy Birch would have a pretty good case for
>> copyright infringement against MS for essentially pirating "vbnet"
>> (despite the dot that distinguishes the two ID's). All dependent, of
>> course, on Randy having the financial resources for what would no
>> doubt prove to be a *very* protracted journey through the legal
>> system.
>> Then again, I'm not a lawyer so I could just be full of it!
>
>I'll bet if he wanted to pursue it, there'd be a legal team just 
>itching to do it on contingency. <g>
>

True dat! : ^ D
And I'd go "all in" that were the circumstances reversed MS's legal
team long ago would have sent Randy "cease and desist or else"
letters.

RW

"Larry Serflaten" <serflaten@gmail.com> skrev i meddelelsen 
news:hus468$186$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote
>
>> >> Here's a VB6 forum in French:
>> >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/fr-FR/vb6fr/threads
>> >>
>> >> Here's a VB5/6 forum in Spanish:
>> >> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/es-ES/vb56es/threads
>> >
>> > Those miserable bastards.  They would have to start giving MVPs for 
>> > classic
>> > VB, wouldn't they?  And they don't want to do that.
>>
>> Tell it to the horse: steveb@microsoft.com  :-)
>

Or the ditcher.
Just about the same, except that a horse is an
animal hopefully loved by everybody. That's not the case with
this labourer.
But my question; you posted the address to this ditcher.
Do you expect others to do what you don't want to do yourself ?.
Or *did* you write ?.
/se





> I would send off an email if I thought I might actually use an english
> forum.  But adding a similar forum for english speakers just isn't
> a remedy for the mess they've created....
>
> LFS
>
> 

senn explained on 6/13/2010 :
> But my question; you posted the address to this ditcher.
> Do you expect others to do what you don't want to do yourself ?.
> Or *did* you write ?.

Steve (and/or his handlers) know me well enough that what I write to 
him doesn't carry the day very often.  But I have managed to get him to 
change his mind on a few occassions by getting several thousands of his 
customers to also write along with me.  :-)

"Karl E. Peterson" <karl@exmvps.org> wrote in message 
news:hv61ai$bh$1@news.eternal-september.org...
: Steve (and/or his handlers) know me well enough that what I write to
: him doesn't carry the day very often.  But I have managed to get him to
: change his mind on a few occassions by getting several thousands of his
: customers to also write along with me.  :-)
:

Which we do happily!



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On 10/06/2010 21:28, Karl E. Peterson wrote:
> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>
> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>
> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>
> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>
> Example...
> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c
>
>
> Go figure... <LOL>

 From that post:
>> your question does not belongs here.
>
> Curious, were you elected net nanny?
>
> Or just took it upon yourself?

Isn't that EXACTLY what we do with off topic questions here?
Why can we (non elected regulars) do it in our "domain" but they can't 
in theirs?

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Dee Earley submitted this idea :
> On 10/06/2010 21:28, Karl E. Peterson wrote:
>> Well, that certainly didn't take long.
>>
>> I've been kicked out of the "social" forums.
>>
>> Apparently, the last banner I rotated too didn't sit so well.
>>
>> http://vb.mvps.org/images/forumbanner3.gif
>>
>> Example...
>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/e1b94be4-b991-4419-a274-aa3a04e617e3/#edcafc18-bb95-4f7f-b034-1ed658d6e87c
>>
>>
>> Go figure... <LOL>
>
>  From that post:
>>> your question does not belongs here.
>>
>> Curious, were you elected net nanny?
>>
>> Or just took it upon yourself?
>
> Isn't that EXACTLY what we do with off topic questions here?
> Why can we (non elected regulars) do it in our "domain" but they can't in 
> theirs?

Just couldn't help myself. <bg>

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