I'm traveling.  While charter.net is my home ISP and I can send using 
Charter's own Webmail system, I cannot send using my Microsoft Outlook 2003 
SP3 from anywhere today.  I've been to the free wireless at Panera Bread and 
I've tried a home network here which is using AOL.  I even changed the 
ouotgoing server address to <smtp.aol.com> while at the local home using AOL 
from <smtp.charter.net> which I use at my home location and at Panera Bread.  
(I also tried <mail.charter.net> which is what Charter suggested, and that 
didn't work either.>)  My Outlook tells me it is processing my outbox 
messages but then tells me it failed.  And, indeed, it has failed.  
Everything is still sitting in my Outbox and nothing shows in my Sent Mail 
file.  I use XP Pro SP3 as my OS.  Can anyone help me to send email from 
Microsoft Outlook while I'm traveling these next few days?  (Incoming mail 
works just fine.)  I've checked with Charter and they claim that as I can 
send and receive using their Webmail system it's not their problem but it's 
Microsoft's.  I really don't care whose problem it is...I just want it to 
work!  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!

BobT. wrote:

> I'm traveling.  While charter.net is my home ISP and I can send using 
> Charter's own Webmail system, I cannot send using my Microsoft Outlook 2003 
> SP3 from anywhere today.  I've been to the free wireless at Panera Bread and 
> I've tried a home network here which is using AOL.  I even changed the 
> ouotgoing server address to <smtp.aol.com> while at the local home using AOL 
> from <smtp.charter.net> which I use at my home location and at Panera Bread.  
> (I also tried <mail.charter.net> which is what Charter suggested, and that 
> didn't work either.>)  My Outlook tells me it is processing my outbox 
> messages but then tells me it failed.  And, indeed, it has failed.  
> Everything is still sitting in my Outbox and nothing shows in my Sent Mail 
> file.  I use XP Pro SP3 as my OS.  Can anyone help me to send email from 
> Microsoft Outlook while I'm traveling these next few days?  (Incoming mail 
> works just fine.)  I've checked with Charter and they claim that as I can 
> send and receive using their Webmail system it's not their problem but it's 
> Microsoft's.  I really don't care whose problem it is...I just want it to 
> work!  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!

Since you are off-domain of the SMTP mail server that you are trying to use,
do you authenticate to it?  Check the SMTP settings in the e-mail account
that you defined in Outlook.  Authenticating to the SMTP server is how
e-mail providers reduce attacks by spammers to abuse their mail server.

My Outgoing Serfver generally does not require authentication using 
<smtp.charter.net> when I am at home.  But that must be because I'm using 
Charter as my ISP.  Because I am using other domains when I'm traveling, say 
AOL at the residence I'm staying at right now, are you telling me that I DO 
have to check the "My outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication" box?  
And so, which one of the three radio dials should I  also check?  Thanks for 
taking me through this step by step.  And then when I get back to my home 
domain I suspect I should go back in and deselect the "requires 
authentication" box, right?

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> BobT. wrote:
> 
> > I'm traveling.  While charter.net is my home ISP and I can send using 
> > Charter's own Webmail system, I cannot send using my Microsoft Outlook 2003 
> > SP3 from anywhere today.  I've been to the free wireless at Panera Bread and 
> > I've tried a home network here which is using AOL.  I even changed the 
> > ouotgoing server address to <smtp.aol.com> while at the local home using AOL 
> > from <smtp.charter.net> which I use at my home location and at Panera Bread.  
> > (I also tried <mail.charter.net> which is what Charter suggested, and that 
> > didn't work either.>)  My Outlook tells me it is processing my outbox 
> > messages but then tells me it failed.  And, indeed, it has failed.  
> > Everything is still sitting in my Outbox and nothing shows in my Sent Mail 
> > file.  I use XP Pro SP3 as my OS.  Can anyone help me to send email from 
> > Microsoft Outlook while I'm traveling these next few days?  (Incoming mail 
> > works just fine.)  I've checked with Charter and they claim that as I can 
> > send and receive using their Webmail system it's not their problem but it's 
> > Microsoft's.  I really don't care whose problem it is...I just want it to 
> > work!  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!
> 
> Since you are off-domain of the SMTP mail server that you are trying to use,
> do you authenticate to it?  Check the SMTP settings in the e-mail account
> that you defined in Outlook.  Authenticating to the SMTP server is how
> e-mail providers reduce attacks by spammers to abuse their mail server.
> .
> 

BobT. wrote:

> My Outgoing Serfver generally does not require authentication using 
> <smtp.charter.net> when I am at home.  But that must be because I'm using 
> Charter as my ISP.  Because I am using other domains when I'm traveling, say 
> AOL at the residence I'm staying at right now, are you telling me that I DO 
> have to check the "My outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication" box?  
> And so, which one of the three radio dials should I  also check?  Thanks for 
> taking me through this step by step.  And then when I get back to my home 
> domain I suspect I should go back in and deselect the "requires 
> authentication" box, right?

The SMTP server always requires authentication to ensure you have permission
to use that resource.  If you don't explicitly specify the login credentials
for the SMTP mail server, the ones you specify for the POP server get
reused.  There is usually an expiration of how long the login credentials
for a POP session can be used for a following SMTP session.  

Even at home, authenticate to your SMTP mail server.  It doesn't hurt if not
needed but it helps when it is required.  When you are on-domain to the SMTP
mail host, your ISP already knows who you are and that you are allowed to
use their SMTP server.  However, logging into it is just as okay to prove
you have permission to use their server.

Enable SMTP authentication and just leave it that way.

I've done so and STILL no outbox mail will send.  Very frustrating.  Any 
other recommendations?

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> BobT. wrote:
> 
> > My Outgoing Serfver generally does not require authentication using 
> > <smtp.charter.net> when I am at home.  But that must be because I'm using 
> > Charter as my ISP.  Because I am using other domains when I'm traveling, say 
> > AOL at the residence I'm staying at right now, are you telling me that I DO 
> > have to check the "My outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication" box?  
> > And so, which one of the three radio dials should I  also check?  Thanks for 
> > taking me through this step by step.  And then when I get back to my home 
> > domain I suspect I should go back in and deselect the "requires 
> > authentication" box, right?
> 
> The SMTP server always requires authentication to ensure you have permission
> to use that resource.  If you don't explicitly specify the login credentials
> for the SMTP mail server, the ones you specify for the POP server get
> reused.  There is usually an expiration of how long the login credentials
> for a POP session can be used for a following SMTP session.  
> 
> Even at home, authenticate to your SMTP mail server.  It doesn't hurt if not
> needed but it helps when it is required.  When you are on-domain to the SMTP
> mail host, your ISP already knows who you are and that you are allowed to
> use their SMTP server.  However, logging into it is just as okay to prove
> you have permission to use their server.
> 
> Enable SMTP authentication and just leave it that way.
> .
> 

BobT. wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> BobT. wrote:
>> 
>>> My Outgoing Serfver generally does not require authentication using 
>>> <smtp.charter.net> when I am at home.  But that must be because I'm using 
>>> Charter as my ISP.  Because I am using other domains when I'm traveling, say 
>>> AOL at the residence I'm staying at right now, are you telling me that I DO 
>>> have to check the "My outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication" box?  
>>> And so, which one of the three radio dials should I  also check?  Thanks for 
>>> taking me through this step by step.  And then when I get back to my home 
>>> domain I suspect I should go back in and deselect the "requires 
>>> authentication" box, right?
>> 
>> The SMTP server always requires authentication to ensure you have permission
>> to use that resource.  If you don't explicitly specify the login credentials
>> for the SMTP mail server, the ones you specify for the POP server get
>> reused.  There is usually an expiration of how long the login credentials
>> for a POP session can be used for a following SMTP session.  
>> 
>> Even at home, authenticate to your SMTP mail server.  It doesn't hurt if not
>> needed but it helps when it is required.  When you are on-domain to the SMTP
>> mail host, your ISP already knows who you are and that you are allowed to
>> use their SMTP server.  However, logging into it is just as okay to prove
>> you have permission to use their server.
>> 
>> Enable SMTP authentication and just leave it that way.
>> .
>>

> I've done so and STILL no outbox mail will send.  Very frustrating.  Any 
> other recommendations?
> 

Some ISPs have one set of settings for when on-domain and a different set
when off-domain.  For example, they may have you use non-SSL connects to
port 110 for POP when on-domain but require you use SSL and port 995 when
off-domain.  Same for SMTP.  They may want you to use non-SSL connects on
port 25 or 587 when on-domain but require SSL connecton on port 465 when
off-domain.  You need to find out if your ISP has "travelling" settings when
off their domain and connecting to their mail hosts.

So what did Charter say when you asked them for support for the service that
you pay them?  A functional webmail interface to your account does NOT prove
that their POP and SMTP mail hosts are working or that you are using the
correct settings for them.

Find out from your e-mail provider if they let you use the same settings
when on their domain and when off their domain.  Then find out what are the
actual settings for those scenarios.  

So far, the only info you provided here about "unable to send" was "tells me
it failed."  Obviously neither one provides that ACTUAL error message that
you get.  Regarding error or status messages:

- Do NOT omit the message.
- Do NOT describe the message.
- Do NOT summarize the message.
- Do NOT paraphrase the message.
- Do NOT truncate the message.
- Do show the ENTIRE message (but munge or star out personal info, 
  like your username in an e-mail address but not the domain).
- Provide sufficient context under which the error occurs or how to
  reproduce it.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:11:58 -0600
VanguardLH VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> articulated:

> BobT. wrote:
> 
> > VanguardLH wrote:
> >   
> >> BobT. wrote:
> >>   
> >>> My Outgoing Serfver generally does not require authentication
> >>> using <smtp.charter.net> when I am at home.  But that must be
> >>> because I'm using Charter as my ISP.  Because I am using other
> >>> domains when I'm traveling, say AOL at the residence I'm staying
> >>> at right now, are you telling me that I DO have to check the "My
> >>> outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication" box? And so,
> >>> which one of the three radio dials should I  also check?  Thanks
> >>> for taking me through this step by step.  And then when I get
> >>> back to my home domain I suspect I should go back in and deselect
> >>> the "requires authentication" box, right?  
> >> 
> >> The SMTP server always requires authentication to ensure you have
> >> permission to use that resource.  If you don't explicitly specify
> >> the login credentials for the SMTP mail server, the ones you
> >> specify for the POP server get reused.  There is usually an
> >> expiration of how long the login credentials for a POP session can
> >> be used for a following SMTP session.  
> >> 
> >> Even at home, authenticate to your SMTP mail server.  It doesn't
> >> hurt if not needed but it helps when it is required.  When you are
> >> on-domain to the SMTP mail host, your ISP already knows who you
> >> are and that you are allowed to use their SMTP server.  However,
> >> logging into it is just as okay to prove you have permission to
> >> use their server.
> >> 
> >> Enable SMTP authentication and just leave it that way.
> >> .
> >>  
> 
> > I've done so and STILL no outbox mail will send.  Very
> > frustrating.  Any other recommendations?
> >   

Have you tried using telnet to access your ISP's mail server? Try it
using both ports 25 and 587. Many ISPs are now requiring 587. You do
not have to actually log in on port 587 since it will require STARTTLS;
however, it will indicate if you are actually making a connection.

Just for fun, I tried doing a telnet on port 25 here to your ISP and
this is the info returned:

telnet smtp.charter.net 25
Trying 209.225.8.224...
Connected to smtp.charter.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
571 imp10 smtp.charter.net NjcuMTg5LjE4My4xNzI= You must connect from Charter IP space.  E1110
Connection closed by foreign host.

And on port 587:

telnet smtp.charter.net 587
Trying 209.225.8.224...
telnet: connect to address 209.225.8.224: Operation timed out
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host

-- 
Carmel

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I've received two different error messages while trying to resolve this issue:

1. Task '<my email address> - Sending' reported error (0x80042109) : 
'Outlook is unable to connect to your outgoing (SMTP) e-mail server. If you 
continue to receive this message, contact your server administrator or 
Internet service provider (ISP).'

2. Task '<my email address> - Sending' reported error (0x800CCC61) : 'Your 
outgoing (SMTP) e-mail server has reported an internal error. If you continue 
to receive this message, contact your server administrator or Internet 
service provider (ISP).  The server responded: ?71 imp11 smtp.charter.net 
MjQuMTkyLjg2LjEwNA== You must connect from Charter IP space.  E1110'

Does that help you?

"VanguardLH" wrote:

> BobT. wrote:
> 
> > VanguardLH wrote:
> > 
> >> BobT. wrote:
> >> 
> >>> My Outgoing Serfver generally does not require authentication using 
> >>> <smtp.charter.net> when I am at home.  But that must be because I'm using 
> >>> Charter as my ISP.  Because I am using other domains when I'm traveling, say 
> >>> AOL at the residence I'm staying at right now, are you telling me that I DO 
> >>> have to check the "My outgoing server (SMTP) requires authentication" box?  
> >>> And so, which one of the three radio dials should I  also check?  Thanks for 
> >>> taking me through this step by step.  And then when I get back to my home 
> >>> domain I suspect I should go back in and deselect the "requires 
> >>> authentication" box, right?
> >> 
> >> The SMTP server always requires authentication to ensure you have permission
> >> to use that resource.  If you don't explicitly specify the login credentials
> >> for the SMTP mail server, the ones you specify for the POP server get
> >> reused.  There is usually an expiration of how long the login credentials
> >> for a POP session can be used for a following SMTP session.  
> >> 
> >> Even at home, authenticate to your SMTP mail server.  It doesn't hurt if not
> >> needed but it helps when it is required.  When you are on-domain to the SMTP
> >> mail host, your ISP already knows who you are and that you are allowed to
> >> use their SMTP server.  However, logging into it is just as okay to prove
> >> you have permission to use their server.
> >> 
> >> Enable SMTP authentication and just leave it that way.
> >> .
> >>
> 
> > I've done so and STILL no outbox mail will send.  Very frustrating.  Any 
> > other recommendations?
> > 
> 
> Some ISPs have one set of settings for when on-domain and a different set
> when off-domain.  For example, they may have you use non-SSL connects to
> port 110 for POP when on-domain but require you use SSL and port 995 when
> off-domain.  Same for SMTP.  They may want you to use non-SSL connects on
> port 25 or 587 when on-domain but require SSL connecton on port 465 when
> off-domain.  You need to find out if your ISP has "travelling" settings when
> off their domain and connecting to their mail hosts.
> 
> So what did Charter say when you asked them for support for the service that
> you pay them?  A functional webmail interface to your account does NOT prove
> that their POP and SMTP mail hosts are working or that you are using the
> correct settings for them.
> 
> Find out from your e-mail provider if they let you use the same settings
> when on their domain and when off their domain.  Then find out what are the
> actual settings for those scenarios.  
> 
> So far, the only info you provided here about "unable to send" was "tells me
> it failed."  Obviously neither one provides that ACTUAL error message that
> you get.  Regarding error or status messages:
> 
> - Do NOT omit the message.
> - Do NOT describe the message.
> - Do NOT summarize the message.
> - Do NOT paraphrase the message.
> - Do NOT truncate the message.
> - Do show the ENTIRE message (but munge or star out personal info, 
>   like your username in an e-mail address but not the domain).
> - Provide sufficient context under which the error occurs or how to
>   reproduce it.
> .
> 

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:50:01 -0800, BobT. wrote:

> I'm traveling.  While charter.net is my home ISP and I can send using 
> Charter's own Webmail system, I cannot send using my Microsoft Outlook 2003 
> SP3 from anywhere today.  I've been to the free wireless at Panera Bread and 
> I've tried a home network here which is using AOL.  I even changed the 
> ouotgoing server address to <smtp.aol.com> while at the local home using AOL 
> from <smtp.charter.net> which I use at my home location and at Panera Bread.  
> (I also tried <mail.charter.net> which is what Charter suggested, and that 
> didn't work either.>)  My Outlook tells me it is processing my outbox 
> messages but then tells me it failed.  And, indeed, it has failed.  
> Everything is still sitting in my Outbox and nothing shows in my Sent Mail 
> file.  I use XP Pro SP3 as my OS.  Can anyone help me to send email from 
> Microsoft Outlook while I'm traveling these next few days?  (Incoming mail 
> works just fine.)  I've checked with Charter and they claim that as I can 
> send and receive using their Webmail system it's not their problem but it's 
> Microsoft's.  I really don't care whose problem it is...I just want it to 
> work!  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!

Your ISP may only allow access to their SMTP message submission server while
you are on their IP network. They use an IP address database called an
"Access Control List" which contains permitted IP addresses, and denies
connection to the rest. In such a case, the ISP usually does not require
authentication to the server; they use your connecting IP address as the
authentication.

That you can use Web mail for access is a cop out by your ISP; they probably
do not wish to administer an SMTP message submission server beyond what they
are currently allowing. More likely, they'd rather not offer you SMTP
message submission service at all, if they thought they could just drop it,
and push you to Web mail.

One work around would be to set up a Gmail account (free), and configure it
for POP3 access. No need to use the 'gmail.com' email address, or to change
your POP3 service. However, you can use the Gmail 'verification' process to
verify your Charter email address as an alternate sender. Then you can set
your client to use 'smtp.gmail.com' for your outbound email.

-- 
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

BobT. wrote:

> I've received two different error messages while trying to resolve this issue:
> 
> 1. Task '<my email address> - Sending' reported error (0x80042109) : 
> 'Outlook is unable to connect to your outgoing (SMTP) e-mail server. If you 
> continue to receive this message, contact your server administrator or 
> Internet service provider (ISP).'
> 
> 2. Task '<my email address> - Sending' reported error (0x800CCC61) : 'Your 
> outgoing (SMTP) e-mail server has reported an internal error. If you continue 
> to receive this message, contact your server administrator or Internet 
> service provider (ISP).  The server responded: ?71 imp11 smtp.charter.net 
> MjQuMTkyLjg2LjEwNA== You must connect from Charter IP space.  E1110'

The 2nd error says that you can only connect to their SMTP mail host when
you are on-domain (i.e., when using their network).  That's why I mentioned
to ask them if they have "travelling" settings for accessing their SMTP mail
host when off-domain.  With the current settings that you configured in the
e-mail account defined in your e-mail client, and because you are
off-domain, they aren't permitting access to their SMTP mail host.  So
either you need to use different settings when off-domain or they just don't
permit off-domain access.  

I took one stab at trying to find their web help page on settings and only
found a page that walked you through the settings (after picking an e-mail
client) but that looks to be their on-domain settings.  Today I went back to
charter.net to their web help pages under the Internet section for E-mail
and noticed they have a "Mobile Email Settings" link.  You could try the
general settings to see if they work.

This may just be the workaround I need!  Charter swears they have no 
off-domain settings and everything should work just fine wherever I am using 
their standard port settings - but obviously it's not working!  It's strange 
as I've never encountered this problem anywhere in my travels before, all the 
while using Charter as my ISP.  I'll let you know if the gmail configuration 
works.  Thanks for the idea.

"N. Miller" wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:50:01 -0800, BobT. wrote:
> 
> > I'm traveling.  While charter.net is my home ISP and I can send using 
> > Charter's own Webmail system, I cannot send using my Microsoft Outlook 2003 
> > SP3 from anywhere today.  I've been to the free wireless at Panera Bread and 
> > I've tried a home network here which is using AOL.  I even changed the 
> > ouotgoing server address to <smtp.aol.com> while at the local home using AOL 
> > from <smtp.charter.net> which I use at my home location and at Panera Bread.  
> > (I also tried <mail.charter.net> which is what Charter suggested, and that 
> > didn't work either.>)  My Outlook tells me it is processing my outbox 
> > messages but then tells me it failed.  And, indeed, it has failed.  
> > Everything is still sitting in my Outbox and nothing shows in my Sent Mail 
> > file.  I use XP Pro SP3 as my OS.  Can anyone help me to send email from 
> > Microsoft Outlook while I'm traveling these next few days?  (Incoming mail 
> > works just fine.)  I've checked with Charter and they claim that as I can 
> > send and receive using their Webmail system it's not their problem but it's 
> > Microsoft's.  I really don't care whose problem it is...I just want it to 
> > work!  Any help will be greatly appreciated!!!
> 
> Your ISP may only allow access to their SMTP message submission server while
> you are on their IP network. They use an IP address database called an
> "Access Control List" which contains permitted IP addresses, and denies
> connection to the rest. In such a case, the ISP usually does not require
> authentication to the server; they use your connecting IP address as the
> authentication.
> 
> That you can use Web mail for access is a cop out by your ISP; they probably
> do not wish to administer an SMTP message submission server beyond what they
> are currently allowing. More likely, they'd rather not offer you SMTP
> message submission service at all, if they thought they could just drop it,
> and push you to Web mail.
> 
> One work around would be to set up a Gmail account (free), and configure it
> for POP3 access. No need to use the 'gmail.com' email address, or to change
> your POP3 service. However, you can use the Gmail 'verification' process to
> verify your Charter email address as an alternate sender. Then you can set
> your client to use 'smtp.gmail.com' for your outbound email.
> 
> -- 
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
> .
> 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:59:01 -0800, BobT. wrote:

> This may just be the workaround I need!  Charter swears they have no 
> off-domain settings and everything should work just fine wherever I am using 
> their standard port settings - but obviously it's not working!  It's strange 
> as I've never encountered this problem anywhere in my travels before, all the 
> while using Charter as my ISP.  I'll let you know if the gmail configuration 
> works.  Thanks for the idea.

I did not see anything in your post to suggest it, but another possibility
is that the system you are on blocks outbound port 25 traffic. Even if you
could hit Charter servers using port 25 from some other IP network, if you
are on an IP network which blocks outbound port 25, you will be effectively
cut off from the Charter servers. At least until Charter enters the 21st
Century, and offers a proper SMTP message submission port.

-- 
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

That may be my problem as I set up a gmail email account and have encountered 
all the same problems using it - NO outbound mail service.  My only other 
posibility may be to go to a hotel I've stayed at inthis locality previously, 
and successfully used receive AND send email service there, to see if I can 
make anything work.

"N. Miller" wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:59:01 -0800, BobT. wrote:
> 
> > This may just be the workaround I need!  Charter swears they have no 
> > off-domain settings and everything should work just fine wherever I am using 
> > their standard port settings - but obviously it's not working!  It's strange 
> > as I've never encountered this problem anywhere in my travels before, all the 
> > while using Charter as my ISP.  I'll let you know if the gmail configuration 
> > works.  Thanks for the idea.
> 
> I did not see anything in your post to suggest it, but another possibility
> is that the system you are on blocks outbound port 25 traffic. Even if you
> could hit Charter servers using port 25 from some other IP network, if you
> are on an IP network which blocks outbound port 25, you will be effectively
> cut off from the Charter servers. At least until Charter enters the 21st
> Century, and offers a proper SMTP message submission port.
> 
> -- 
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
> .
> 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:38:01 -0800, BobT. wrote:

> That may be my problem as I set up a gmail email account and have encountered 
> all the same problems using it - NO outbound mail service.  My only other 
> posibility may be to go to a hotel I've stayed at inthis locality previously, 
> and successfully used receive AND send email service there, to see if I can 
> make anything work.

In which case, you can set up your Gmail account in Outlook to use port 465
with SSL, or to use port 587. I expect, in a road environment, such as you
are in, port 465 is preferable. Places which block port 25 outbound rarely
block the proper message submission ports.

-- 
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:18:36 -0800
N. Miller <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> articulated:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:38:01 -0800, BobT. wrote:
> 
> > That may be my problem as I set up a gmail email account and have
> > encountered all the same problems using it - NO outbound mail
> > service.  My only other posibility may be to go to a hotel I've
> > stayed at inthis locality previously, and successfully used receive
> > AND send email service there, to see if I can make anything work.
> 
> In which case, you can set up your Gmail account in Outlook to use
> port 465 with SSL, or to use port 587. I expect, in a road
> environment, such as you are in, port 465 is preferable. Places which
> block port 25 outbound rarely block the proper message submission
> ports.
> 

Port 465 is depreciated. Port 587 is the preferred submission port.

Although some servers support port 465 for legacy secure SMTP in
violation of the specifications, it is preferable to use standard ports
and standard ESMTP commands[15] according to RFC 3207.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2476.txt

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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:28:51 -0500, Carmel wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:18:36 -0800
> N. Miller <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> articulated:

>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:38:01 -0800, BobT. wrote:

>>> That may be my problem as I set up a gmail email account and have
>>> encountered all the same problems using it - NO outbound mail
>>> service.  My only other posibility may be to go to a hotel I've
>>> stayed at inthis locality previously, and successfully used receive
>>> AND send email service there, to see if I can make anything work.

>> In which case, you can set up your Gmail account in Outlook to use
>> port 465 with SSL, or to use port 587. I expect, in a road
>> environment, such as you are in, port 465 is preferable. Places which
>> block port 25 outbound rarely block the proper message submission
>> ports.

> Port 465 is depreciated. Port 587 is the preferred submission port.

Port 465 is not "deprecated"; it was never "officially" established as a
message submission port. Per RFC 2476 (December, 1998), port 587 has always
been the "preferred" message submission port. RFC 2476 is deprecated by RFC
4409 (April, 2006). But neither RFC requires encryption, only
authentication. TLS encryption is optional.

Port 465 was never a proposed Internet standard (no RFC). However, it was
adopted, ad hoc, as a standard SSL encryption message submission port.

> Although some servers support port 465 for legacy secure SMTP in
> violation of the specifications, it is preferable to use standard ports
> and standard ESMTP commands[15] according to RFC 3207.
> 
> See:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2476.txt

I am not aware that port 465 support is in violation of any specification.
RFCs are not mandatory, but advisable for guaranteed interoperability.
Gmail, and now Yahoo! use port 465 with SSL, without breaking anything.
Gmail provides port 587 access using TLS, Yahoo! provides port 587 access,
but without TLS.

Scanning RFC 4409 (which supersedes RFC 2476), I do not see encryption (TLS)
as a mandatory requirement. It is an optional requirement only.

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