Version: 2008
Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
Processor: Intel

I am trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in the drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!

On 2010-01-21 13:39:38 -0500, Echelon@officeformac.com said:

>  I am trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac. On a PC it usually 
> is in the drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help. 
> Thanks!

 In all Mac application, you can save as PDF through the regular Print dialog.
In Word, you can also use the Save As command to save as a PDF.

Corentin

(oh, and it's not MAC, which usually stands for Media Access Control, 
it's Mac, as in Macintosh ;-) )


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Far as I know, Mac Word won't open a PDF file.  I've had some measure of 
success with simple PDFs by using Adobe Acrobat (on Windows).  I've not 
tried Word Windows.  Perhaps you can use a copy of Word Windows since 
you know it works and then use Word Mac to work on it.


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On 21/01/10 18:39, Echelon@officeformac.com wrote:
> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel
> I am trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac. On a PC it usually is
> in the drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help. Thanks!

Thanks for replying - the issue is converting a PDF file to Word file.  Usually in Word on the PC it in the drop down File menu and the sub menu list something like pdf convert...not seeing anything similar in Word for Mac... I don't have Windows only Mac.   <br><br> Far as I know, Mac Word won't open a PDF file.  I've had some measure of  success with simple PDFs by using Adobe Acrobat (on Windows).  I've not tried Word Windows.  Perhaps you can use a copy of Word Windows since you know it works and then use Word Mac to work on it. <br>
>  <br>
> --rms <br>
>  <br>
> www.rmschneider.com <br>
>  <br>
>  <br>
>  <br>
>  <br>
> On 21/01/10 18:39, Echelon@officeformac.com wrote: <br>
> > Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel <br>
> > I am trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac. On a PC it usually is <br>
> > in the drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help. Thanks! <br>
>

> On 2010-01-21 13:39:38 -0500, Echelon@officeformac.com said: <br>
>  <br>
&nbsp;I am trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac. On a PC it usually is in the drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  <br>
> > Thanks! <br>
>  <br>
>  In all Mac application, you can save as PDF through the regular Print dialog.  In Word, you can also use the Save As command to save as a PDF. <br>
>  <br>
> Corentin <br>
>  <br>
> (oh, and it's not MAC, which usually stands for Media Access Control,  <br>
> it's Mac, as in Macintosh ;-) ) <br>
Thanks for the humor, since one can't hear my fustration, used caps to emphasize - I responed to rmschneider below - please see my reply to him.  Merci!  <br>
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On 2010.01.22 11:25, in article 59bb1614.3@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
"Echelon@officeformac.com" <Echelon@officeformac.com> wrote:

>> (oh, and it's not MAC, which usually stands for Media Access Control,
>> it's Mac, as in Macintosh ;-) )
> Thanks for the humor, since one can't hear my fustration, used caps to
> emphasize - I responed to rmschneider below - please see my reply to him.
> Merci!  

"Mac" also stands for McDonalds here in Japan :-p
The same word, pronounced "makku" with a full stop between
the "ma" and the "ku", is used both for Macintosh computers
and as a widely-used abbreviation for the fast food chain.

Just a little trivia. :D

Jeff Chapman

Open acrobat  8.x or 9.x Mac. (x means  number such as .1,.2.,.3, etc).

Now (if the original document is a text document and not a scan/image) 
go to File menu > Sav As... . Now choose word doc. or rtf. Try word Doc 
first.  save file now open using word 2008.


Rob Schneider wrote:
> Far as I know, Mac Word won't open a PDF file.  I've had some measure of
> success with simple PDFs by using Adobe Acrobat (on Windows).  I've not
> tried Word Windows.  Perhaps you can use a copy of Word Windows since
> you know it works and then use Word Mac to work on it.
>
>
> --rms
>
> www.rmschneider.com
>
>
>
>
> On 21/01/10 18:39, Echelon@officeformac.com wrote:
>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel
>> I am trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac. On a PC it usually is
>> in the drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help. Thanks!

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You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
contain enough information to create a Word document from it.

The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
Adobe Acrobat.

Cheers


On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
"Echelon@officeformac.com" <Echelon@officeformac.com> wrote:

> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel I am
> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in the
> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
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+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name

Have you tried Acrobat 9. If this newsgroup permitted attaching screen 
shots I'd prove it to you, that if you have Acrobat it can convert a 
Text based PDF to a .doc (word document) or to .rtf (which most any word 
processor can open.)

The CAVEAT is: It has to be a text based PDF That is it was created from 
some word processor or ascii text program). IF its a scan from a 
document unless (and I mean unless) it was scanned at least a minimum 
depth of 600dpi and you used Acrobats OCR feature to make it search-able 
text. All bets are off if you've used Acrobat's PDF Optimizer > user dat 
and choose to remove user info and metadata  to reduce the PDF's size. 
Then it may have nothing to go by.

John McGhie wrote:
> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>
> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
> Adobe Acrobat.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>  wrote:
>
>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel I am
>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in the
>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>
> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless you intend to pay!
>
>   --
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>
>

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Oh and send me a PDF based on a Word Document to me and I'll send you 
the Word document I can create from it.  Can be something generic for 
easy of down and upload make it a Page or two only.

John McGhie wrote:
> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>
> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
> Adobe Acrobat.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>  wrote:
>
>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel I am
>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in the
>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>
> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless you intend to pay!
>
>   --
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>
>

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On 2010-01-21 23:51:21 -0500, Phillip Jones, C.E.T. said:

> Open acrobat  8.x or 9.x Mac. (x means  number such as .1,.2.,.3, etc).
> 
> Now (if the original document is a text document and not a scan/image) 
> go to File menu > Sav As... . Now choose word doc. or rtf. Try word Doc 
> first.  save file now open using word 2008.

Silly me... I understood the question the other way around :-\
Otherwise you still have the option of using OCR software.
I just read somewhere that Google has a free OCR solution around (send 
the file to google docs and get it back as text).

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Hi Phillip:

Yes, I have tried Acrobat 9 :-)

What people need to understand is that a PDF file does not contain the
object model from the Word document.  PostScript is a page description
language: it describes which parts of the page are black.

Acrobat 9 is capable of producing an RTF document that also turns those
parts of a page black.  And you can open that in Word and save it as a Word
document.

But what you get back is not the original Word document that created the
PDF: you get a "picture" of the original document, "drawn" in Word.

It's a difficult distinction to make conceptually: but becomes immediately
apparent as soon as you try to edit the thing.  None of the numbering works.
None of the drawings can be edited.  All the fields are gone.  The TOC no
longer works.  The damage is huge :-)

Cheers


On 23/01/10 2:28 AM, in article #rkVUe3mKHA.1552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
"Phillip Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> Have you tried Acrobat 9. If this newsgroup permitted attaching screen
> shots I'd prove it to you, that if you have Acrobat it can convert a
> Text based PDF to a .doc (word document) or to .rtf (which most any word
> processor can open.)
> 
> The CAVEAT is: It has to be a text based PDF That is it was created from
> some word processor or ascii text program). IF its a scan from a
> document unless (and I mean unless) it was scanned at least a minimum
> depth of 600dpi and you used Acrobats OCR feature to make it search-able
> text. All bets are off if you've used Acrobat's PDF Optimizer > user dat
> and choose to remove user info and metadata  to reduce the PDF's size.
> Then it may have nothing to go by.
> 
> John McGhie wrote:
>> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
>> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>> 
>> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
>> Adobe Acrobat.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
>> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel I
>>> am
>>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in the
>>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>> 
>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>> 
>>   --
>> 
>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>> 
>> 

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

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John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name

But you also have to remember if its already a PDF all that has been 
destroyed anyway. The situation where you'd use PDF to word /rtf would 
be in a case where you have no access to original anyway.  :-)

John McGhie wrote:
> Hi Phillip:
>
> Yes, I have tried Acrobat 9 :-)
>
> What people need to understand is that a PDF file does not contain the
> object model from the Word document.  PostScript is a page description
> language: it describes which parts of the page are black.
>
> Acrobat 9 is capable of producing an RTF document that also turns those
> parts of a page black.  And you can open that in Word and save it as a Word
> document.
>
> But what you get back is not the original Word document that created the
> PDF: you get a "picture" of the original document, "drawn" in Word.
>
> It's a difficult distinction to make conceptually: but becomes immediately
> apparent as soon as you try to edit the thing.  None of the numbering works.
> None of the drawings can be edited.  All the fields are gone.  The TOC no
> longer works.  The damage is huge :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 23/01/10 2:28 AM, in article #rkVUe3mKHA.1552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> Have you tried Acrobat 9. If this newsgroup permitted attaching screen
>> shots I'd prove it to you, that if you have Acrobat it can convert a
>> Text based PDF to a .doc (word document) or to .rtf (which most any word
>> processor can open.)
>>
>> The CAVEAT is: It has to be a text based PDF That is it was created from
>> some word processor or ascii text program). IF its a scan from a
>> document unless (and I mean unless) it was scanned at least a minimum
>> depth of 600dpi and you used Acrobats OCR feature to make it search-able
>> text. All bets are off if you've used Acrobat's PDF Optimizer>  user dat
>> and choose to remove user info and metadata  to reduce the PDF's size.
>> Then it may have nothing to go by.
>>
>> John McGhie wrote:
>>> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
>>> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>>>
>>> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
>>> Adobe Acrobat.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
>>> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel I
>>>> am
>>>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in the
>>>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>>>
>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>
>>>    --
>>>
>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>
>>>
>
> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless you intend to pay!
>
>   --
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>
>

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Hi Phillip:

Yes, you are quite correct, and that's an important point you are making,
which people need to understand.

The act of converting a Word document to PDF utterly destroys the Word
document.  PDF is DESIGNED to prevent anyone (including the author) from
making material change to the document, and it succeeds at that.

My point is that in modern commercial practice, nobody would waste the time
it takes attempting to reconstruct a Word document from a PDF.  You would
email the author for the original.  If you can't get it, you would just go
without.  Just save the text out of the PDF: that's the only valuable part,
anyway.  Reformat it properly after you get it into Word.

Cheers


On 23/01/10 1:14 PM, in article uAeyOH9mKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
"Phillip Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> But you also have to remember if its already a PDF all that has been
> destroyed anyway. The situation where you'd use PDF to word /rtf would
> be in a case where you have no access to original anyway.  :-)
> 
> John McGhie wrote:
>> Hi Phillip:
>> 
>> Yes, I have tried Acrobat 9 :-)
>> 
>> What people need to understand is that a PDF file does not contain the
>> object model from the Word document.  PostScript is a page description
>> language: it describes which parts of the page are black.
>> 
>> Acrobat 9 is capable of producing an RTF document that also turns those
>> parts of a page black.  And you can open that in Word and save it as a Word
>> document.
>> 
>> But what you get back is not the original Word document that created the
>> PDF: you get a "picture" of the original document, "drawn" in Word.
>> 
>> It's a difficult distinction to make conceptually: but becomes immediately
>> apparent as soon as you try to edit the thing.  None of the numbering works.
>> None of the drawings can be edited.  All the fields are gone.  The TOC no
>> longer works.  The damage is huge :-)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> On 23/01/10 2:28 AM, in article #rkVUe3mKHA.1552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
>> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried Acrobat 9. If this newsgroup permitted attaching screen
>>> shots I'd prove it to you, that if you have Acrobat it can convert a
>>> Text based PDF to a .doc (word document) or to .rtf (which most any word
>>> processor can open.)
>>> 
>>> The CAVEAT is: It has to be a text based PDF That is it was created from
>>> some word processor or ascii text program). IF its a scan from a
>>> document unless (and I mean unless) it was scanned at least a minimum
>>> depth of 600dpi and you used Acrobats OCR feature to make it search-able
>>> text. All bets are off if you've used Acrobat's PDF Optimizer>  user dat
>>> and choose to remove user info and metadata  to reduce the PDF's size.
>>> Then it may have nothing to go by.
>>> 
>>> John McGhie wrote:
>>>> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
>>>> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>>>> 
>>>> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
>>>> Adobe Acrobat.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
>>>> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel I
>>>>> am
>>>>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in
>>>>> the
>>>>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>> 
>>>>    --
>>>> 
>>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>> 
>>   --
>> 
>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>> 
>> 

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

 -- 

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name

Hi John;

You know I'm not one to put words in your mouth :-) but I do wish you'd
stated this point just a little differently...

On 1/23/10 4:20 AM, in article C7810AA1.4945%john@mcghie.name, "John McGhie"
<john@mcghie.name> wrote:

> Yes, you are quite correct, and that's an important point you are making,
> which people need to understand.

How about replacing "an" with "one of many"? ;-)

<well-intentioned rant>
Another that's tied to this is that there seems to be a common misconception
that filename extensions are nothing more than an indicator to the user of
what program was used to create the file. And further, that all files are
the same, it's just the content of the file & the cute little icon that
distinguish one from the other. I believe that's what leads people to change
the extensions on filenames expecting to have success in opening the file.

In all fairness, though, the 'industry' has fostered this as well as so many
other misunderstandings because of the liberal -- often inappropriate -- use
of terminology, "convert" being just one example. Any given file does not
get *converted* from one format to another as you well know. The file is
read, then a new file is created in the different format. In order to do
that the program being used must be able to read the original format & write
the new file in the preferred format.
<end of rant>

Please forgive my self-indulgence :-)

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones 
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hi Bob:

Well, you know I am not going to disagree with you -- you're preaching to
the converted in me :-)

Just yesterday, I sent a post explaining that the file name extension is a
label that tells the opening application how the insides of a file are
organised.

If the content of the file is not what it says on the tin, the application
that opens the file probably can't read it at all.

The insides of a PDF file is like a "picture": it tells Adobe Acrobat where
to put the ink on the paper.  The inside of a Word file is like a
construction site: piles of raw materials all carefully labelled so Word can
build a house from them.

And the "industry" is determined to make this worse.  They don't want to
tell users how it works, to make it more difficult for users to blame them
when it doesn't.

Cheers

On 23/01/10 10:38 PM, in article
C78049D0.5A63D%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net, "Bob Jones"
<onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net> wrote:

> Hi John;
> 
> You know I'm not one to put words in your mouth :-) but I do wish you'd
> stated this point just a little differently...
> 
> On 1/23/10 4:20 AM, in article C7810AA1.4945%john@mcghie.name, "John McGhie"
> <john@mcghie.name> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you are quite correct, and that's an important point you are making,
>> which people need to understand.
> 
> How about replacing "an" with "one of many"? ;-)
> 
> <well-intentioned rant>
> Another that's tied to this is that there seems to be a common misconception
> that filename extensions are nothing more than an indicator to the user of
> what program was used to create the file. And further, that all files are
> the same, it's just the content of the file & the cute little icon that
> distinguish one from the other. I believe that's what leads people to change
> the extensions on filenames expecting to have success in opening the file.
> 
> In all fairness, though, the 'industry' has fostered this as well as so many
> other misunderstandings because of the liberal -- often inappropriate -- use
> of terminology, "convert" being just one example. Any given file does not
> get *converted* from one format to another as you well know. The file is
> read, then a new file is created in the different format. In order to do
> that the program being used must be able to read the original format & write
> the new file in the preferred format.
> <end of rant>
> 
> Please forgive my self-indulgence :-)
> 
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones 
> [MVP] Office:Mac
> 

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

 -- 

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name

I have actually done as you describe. Convert to Word (RTF) from a PDF 
then open  in Word check to make sure formatting was correct, if not 
correct, then save as Word Doc.

But it was not on a very large document. I had to do it twice when I was 
Treasurer of an Electronics Association. (I had other jobs I did as well 
and it was one of these other jobs that I had to do this.)

John McGhie wrote:
> Hi Phillip:
>
> Yes, you are quite correct, and that's an important point you are making,
> which people need to understand.
>
> The act of converting a Word document to PDF utterly destroys the Word
> document.  PDF is DESIGNED to prevent anyone (including the author) from
> making material change to the document, and it succeeds at that.
>
> My point is that in modern commercial practice, nobody would waste the time
> it takes attempting to reconstruct a Word document from a PDF.  You would
> email the author for the original.  If you can't get it, you would just go
> without.  Just save the text out of the PDF: that's the only valuable part,
> anyway.  Reformat it properly after you get it into Word.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 23/01/10 1:14 PM, in article uAeyOH9mKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> But you also have to remember if its already a PDF all that has been
>> destroyed anyway. The situation where you'd use PDF to word /rtf would
>> be in a case where you have no access to original anyway.  :-)
>>
>> John McGhie wrote:
>>> Hi Phillip:
>>>
>>> Yes, I have tried Acrobat 9 :-)
>>>
>>> What people need to understand is that a PDF file does not contain the
>>> object model from the Word document.  PostScript is a page description
>>> language: it describes which parts of the page are black.
>>>
>>> Acrobat 9 is capable of producing an RTF document that also turns those
>>> parts of a page black.  And you can open that in Word and save it as a Word
>>> document.
>>>
>>> But what you get back is not the original Word document that created the
>>> PDF: you get a "picture" of the original document, "drawn" in Word.
>>>
>>> It's a difficult distinction to make conceptually: but becomes immediately
>>> apparent as soon as you try to edit the thing.  None of the numbering works.
>>> None of the drawings can be edited.  All the fields are gone.  The TOC no
>>> longer works.  The damage is huge :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/01/10 2:28 AM, in article #rkVUe3mKHA.1552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
>>> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you tried Acrobat 9. If this newsgroup permitted attaching screen
>>>> shots I'd prove it to you, that if you have Acrobat it can convert a
>>>> Text based PDF to a .doc (word document) or to .rtf (which most any word
>>>> processor can open.)
>>>>
>>>> The CAVEAT is: It has to be a text based PDF That is it was created from
>>>> some word processor or ascii text program). IF its a scan from a
>>>> document unless (and I mean unless) it was scanned at least a minimum
>>>> depth of 600dpi and you used Acrobats OCR feature to make it search-able
>>>> text. All bets are off if you've used Acrobat's PDF Optimizer>   user dat
>>>> and choose to remove user info and metadata  to reduce the PDF's size.
>>>> Then it may have nothing to go by.
>>>>
>>>> John McGhie wrote:
>>>>> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
>>>>> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
>>>>> Adobe Acrobat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
>>>>> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>>>
>>>>>     --
>>>>>
>>>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>
>>>    --
>>>
>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>
>>>
>
> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless you intend to pay!
>
>   --
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>
>

-- 
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.    "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net           http://www.vpea.org
mailto:pjones1@kimbanet.com

Didn't meant to start a feud. ;-)

John McGhie wrote:
> Hi Bob:
>
> Well, you know I am not going to disagree with you -- you're preaching to
> the converted in me :-)
>
> Just yesterday, I sent a post explaining that the file name extension is a
> label that tells the opening application how the insides of a file are
> organised.
>
> If the content of the file is not what it says on the tin, the application
> that opens the file probably can't read it at all.
>
> The insides of a PDF file is like a "picture": it tells Adobe Acrobat where
> to put the ink on the paper.  The inside of a Word file is like a
> construction site: piles of raw materials all carefully labelled so Word can
> build a house from them.
>
> And the "industry" is determined to make this worse.  They don't want to
> tell users how it works, to make it more difficult for users to blame them
> when it doesn't.
>
> Cheers
>
> On 23/01/10 10:38 PM, in article
> C78049D0.5A63D%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net, "Bob Jones"
> <onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net>  wrote:
>
>> Hi John;
>>
>> You know I'm not one to put words in your mouth :-) but I do wish you'd
>> stated this point just a little differently...
>>
>> On 1/23/10 4:20 AM, in article C7810AA1.4945%john@mcghie.name, "John McGhie"
>> <john@mcghie.name>  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, you are quite correct, and that's an important point you are making,
>>> which people need to understand.
>>
>> How about replacing "an" with "one of many"? ;-)
>>
>> <well-intentioned rant>
>> Another that's tied to this is that there seems to be a common misconception
>> that filename extensions are nothing more than an indicator to the user of
>> what program was used to create the file. And further, that all files are
>> the same, it's just the content of the file&  the cute little icon that
>> distinguish one from the other. I believe that's what leads people to change
>> the extensions on filenames expecting to have success in opening the file.
>>
>> In all fairness, though, the 'industry' has fostered this as well as so many
>> other misunderstandings because of the liberal -- often inappropriate -- use
>> of terminology, "convert" being just one example. Any given file does not
>> get *converted* from one format to another as you well know. The file is
>> read, then a new file is created in the different format. In order to do
>> that the program being used must be able to read the original format&  write
>> the new file in the preferred format.
>> <end of rant>
>>
>> Please forgive my self-indulgence :-)
>>
>> Regards |:>)
>> Bob Jones
>> [MVP] Office:Mac
>>
>
> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless you intend to pay!
>
>   --
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>
>

-- 
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.    "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net           http://www.vpea.org
mailto:pjones1@kimbanet.com

Hi Phillip:

Oh you did too mean to start a feud :-)  However, in this case, all you
provoked was violent agreement :-)

Yes, I know you can get the font formatting out of a PDF with Acrobat.  And
that may be fine if all the document contains is "text".

But if it did: why would you bother with Word?  Use something like TextEdit
or Pages: it's faster and easier.

But as soon as you start to add complex content (headers, footers, tables,
TOC, Index, cross-references, hyperlinks...) the Word is your weapon, and
PDF is utterly fatal :-)

Cheers


On 24/01/10 12:12 PM, in article #RR6VJJnKHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
"Phillip Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> I have actually done as you describe. Convert to Word (RTF) from a PDF
> then open  in Word check to make sure formatting was correct, if not
> correct, then save as Word Doc.
> 
> But it was not on a very large document. I had to do it twice when I was
> Treasurer of an Electronics Association. (I had other jobs I did as well
> and it was one of these other jobs that I had to do this.)
> 
> John McGhie wrote:
>> Hi Phillip:
>> 
>> Yes, you are quite correct, and that's an important point you are making,
>> which people need to understand.
>> 
>> The act of converting a Word document to PDF utterly destroys the Word
>> document.  PDF is DESIGNED to prevent anyone (including the author) from
>> making material change to the document, and it succeeds at that.
>> 
>> My point is that in modern commercial practice, nobody would waste the time
>> it takes attempting to reconstruct a Word document from a PDF.  You would
>> email the author for the original.  If you can't get it, you would just go
>> without.  Just save the text out of the PDF: that's the only valuable part,
>> anyway.  Reformat it properly after you get it into Word.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> On 23/01/10 1:14 PM, in article uAeyOH9mKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
>> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>> But you also have to remember if its already a PDF all that has been
>>> destroyed anyway. The situation where you'd use PDF to word /rtf would
>>> be in a case where you have no access to original anyway.  :-)
>>> 
>>> John McGhie wrote:
>>>> Hi Phillip:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I have tried Acrobat 9 :-)
>>>> 
>>>> What people need to understand is that a PDF file does not contain the
>>>> object model from the Word document.  PostScript is a page description
>>>> language: it describes which parts of the page are black.
>>>> 
>>>> Acrobat 9 is capable of producing an RTF document that also turns those
>>>> parts of a page black.  And you can open that in Word and save it as a Word
>>>> document.
>>>> 
>>>> But what you get back is not the original Word document that created the
>>>> PDF: you get a "picture" of the original document, "drawn" in Word.
>>>> 
>>>> It's a difficult distinction to make conceptually: but becomes immediately
>>>> apparent as soon as you try to edit the thing.  None of the numbering
>>>> works.
>>>> None of the drawings can be edited.  All the fields are gone.  The TOC no
>>>> longer works.  The damage is huge :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 23/01/10 2:28 AM, in article #rkVUe3mKHA.1552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
>>>> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>   wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Have you tried Acrobat 9. If this newsgroup permitted attaching screen
>>>>> shots I'd prove it to you, that if you have Acrobat it can convert a
>>>>> Text based PDF to a .doc (word document) or to .rtf (which most any word
>>>>> processor can open.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> The CAVEAT is: It has to be a text based PDF That is it was created from
>>>>> some word processor or ascii text program). IF its a scan from a
>>>>> document unless (and I mean unless) it was scanned at least a minimum
>>>>> depth of 600dpi and you used Acrobats OCR feature to make it search-able
>>>>> text. All bets are off if you've used Acrobat's PDF Optimizer>   user dat
>>>>> and choose to remove user info and metadata  to reduce the PDF's size.
>>>>> Then it may have nothing to go by.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John McGhie wrote:
>>>>>> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
>>>>>> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
>>>>>> Adobe Acrobat.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
>>>>>> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>    wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>>>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>>>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>>>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>>>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>> 
>>>>    --
>>>> 
>>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>> 
>>   --
>> 
>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>> 
>> 

This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

 -- 

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name

The idea behind PDF is have something universal to view a document. Not 
everyone (Mac or PC has Office-word or. And with word you can only have 
one copy of office on any one computer (Desktop/Laptop). Adobe Reader is 
is free and as  many copies  for each computer can be downloaded and 
installed as is necessary.

But it sole purpose is viewing or printing from viewed documents or fill 
out forms. Even Adobe people say Acrobat is not a text Editor. You 
supposed fix all the spelling errors. and do all the formatting in your 
word processor  then create the PDF as the end product.

Now if MS could come up with a Plugin or extension for Web Browsers 
where they could read Word or Excel documents directly and be able to 
edit and change them. Acrobat wouldn't be around.

John McGhie wrote:
> Hi Phillip:
>
> Oh you did too mean to start a feud :-)  However, in this case, all you
> provoked was violent agreement :-)
>
> Yes, I know you can get the font formatting out of a PDF with Acrobat.  And
> that may be fine if all the document contains is "text".
>
> But if it did: why would you bother with Word?  Use something like TextEdit
> or Pages: it's faster and easier.
>
> But as soon as you start to add complex content (headers, footers, tables,
> TOC, Index, cross-references, hyperlinks...) the Word is your weapon, and
> PDF is utterly fatal :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 24/01/10 12:12 PM, in article #RR6VJJnKHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> I have actually done as you describe. Convert to Word (RTF) from a PDF
>> then open  in Word check to make sure formatting was correct, if not
>> correct, then save as Word Doc.
>>
>> But it was not on a very large document. I had to do it twice when I was
>> Treasurer of an Electronics Association. (I had other jobs I did as well
>> and it was one of these other jobs that I had to do this.)
>>
>> John McGhie wrote:
>>> Hi Phillip:
>>>
>>> Yes, you are quite correct, and that's an important point you are making,
>>> which people need to understand.
>>>
>>> The act of converting a Word document to PDF utterly destroys the Word
>>> document.  PDF is DESIGNED to prevent anyone (including the author) from
>>> making material change to the document, and it succeeds at that.
>>>
>>> My point is that in modern commercial practice, nobody would waste the time
>>> it takes attempting to reconstruct a Word document from a PDF.  You would
>>> email the author for the original.  If you can't get it, you would just go
>>> without.  Just save the text out of the PDF: that's the only valuable part,
>>> anyway.  Reformat it properly after you get it into Word.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/01/10 1:14 PM, in article uAeyOH9mKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
>>> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you also have to remember if its already a PDF all that has been
>>>> destroyed anyway. The situation where you'd use PDF to word /rtf would
>>>> be in a case where you have no access to original anyway.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> John McGhie wrote:
>>>>> Hi Phillip:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have tried Acrobat 9 :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> What people need to understand is that a PDF file does not contain the
>>>>> object model from the Word document.  PostScript is a page description
>>>>> language: it describes which parts of the page are black.
>>>>>
>>>>> Acrobat 9 is capable of producing an RTF document that also turns those
>>>>> parts of a page black.  And you can open that in Word and save it as a Word
>>>>> document.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what you get back is not the original Word document that created the
>>>>> PDF: you get a "picture" of the original document, "drawn" in Word.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a difficult distinction to make conceptually: but becomes immediately
>>>>> apparent as soon as you try to edit the thing.  None of the numbering
>>>>> works.
>>>>> None of the drawings can be edited.  All the fields are gone.  The TOC no
>>>>> longer works.  The damage is huge :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/01/10 2:28 AM, in article #rkVUe3mKHA.1552@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
>>>>> "Phillip Jones, C.E.T."<pjones1@kimbanet.com>    wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried Acrobat 9. If this newsgroup permitted attaching screen
>>>>>> shots I'd prove it to you, that if you have Acrobat it can convert a
>>>>>> Text based PDF to a .doc (word document) or to .rtf (which most any word
>>>>>> processor can open.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CAVEAT is: It has to be a text based PDF That is it was created from
>>>>>> some word processor or ascii text program). IF its a scan from a
>>>>>> document unless (and I mean unless) it was scanned at least a minimum
>>>>>> depth of 600dpi and you used Acrobats OCR feature to make it search-able
>>>>>> text. All bets are off if you've used Acrobat's PDF Optimizer>    user dat
>>>>>> and choose to remove user info and metadata  to reduce the PDF's size.
>>>>>> Then it may have nothing to go by.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John McGhie wrote:
>>>>>>> You can't convert a PDF file to a Word document.  A PDF file does not
>>>>>>> contain enough information to create a Word document from it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The best you can do is to copy out some of the the font formatting, using
>>>>>>> Adobe Acrobat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22/01/10 5:39 AM, in article 59bb1614.-1@webcrossing.JaKIaxP2ac0,
>>>>>>> "Echelon@officeformac.com"<Echelon@officeformac.com>     wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Version: 2008 Operating System: Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) Processor: Intel
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> trying to convert a PDF file to Word for Mac.  On a PC it usually is in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> drop down menu in Word can't find it on the MAC please help.  Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>>>>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>>>>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>>>>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>>>>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>>>
>>>>>     --
>>>>>
>>>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
>>> matters unless you intend to pay!
>>>
>>>    --
>>>
>>> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
>>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>>> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>>>
>>>
>
> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless you intend to pay!
>
>   --
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name
>
>

-- 
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.    "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net           http://www.vpea.org
mailto:pjones1@kimbanet.com

Phillip Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
> The idea behind PDF is have something universal to view a document. Not
> everyone (Mac or PC has Office-word or. And with word you can only have
> one copy of office on any one computer (Desktop/Laptop). Adobe Reader is
> is free and as many copies for each computer can be downloaded and
> installed as is necessary.
>
> But it sole purpose is viewing or printing from viewed documents or fill
> out forms. Even Adobe people say Acrobat is not a text Editor. You
> supposed fix all the spelling errors. and do all the formatting in your
> word processor then create the PDF as the end product.
>
> Now if MS could come up with a Plugin or extension for Web Browsers
> where they could read Word or Excel documents directly and be able to
> edit and change them. Acrobat wouldn't be around.
>

But they have!

You can read and edit Word, Excel, PowerPoint and soon OneNote documents 
for free on line in your web browser right now. In a move of blazing 
stupidity, Microsoft did not put this service under the Microsoft 
domain. Instead, they put it under the Live domain so no one would find 
it or know that it's a version of Microsoft Office. Instead of calling 
it Microsoft Office something-or-other they called it Skydrive, but it 
should have been called Office Skydrive or something like that instead, 
so it's not surprising you haven't heard about it.

There's nothing to install. You use the Skydrive version of Microsoft 
Office from any computer - Mac, PC, or even LINUX - in your FireFox, 
Safari or IE web browser (PC only). Your Office files are accessible 
from any computer with an internet connection, and you can print & save 
them locally, too. This link gives instructions on how to get SkyDrive. 
Then you can brag to your friends that you are doing "cloud computing." 
You can even allow others to access your online documents.
http://www.agentjim.com/MVP/PowerPoint/PowerPointForFree.html

-Jim
-- 
Jim Gordon
Mac MVP
Co-author of Office 2008 for Mac All-in-One For Dummies
http://tinyurl.com/Office-2008-for-Dummies

Thanks I already have a Live ID. So went to site Bookmarked. I put a 
File in the Public Folder. a Desk Calendar Bob Greenblat help me create. 
I had to re work it because the way the month of February fell this year 
worked last year just fine. For now through at least 2020 it seems to 
work. But for the year 2009 it show Feb 29 (but it only had 28 Days).

Without the corrections I made, Feb October and December broke. Maybe 
some one interested can figure out why it broke.  I put in the Public 
section.

I wouldn't exactly put items that had private info on the site. They 
here wile back had a major  issue with the clod system.

Jim Gordon Mac MVP wrote:
> Phillip Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
>> The idea behind PDF is have something universal to view a document. Not
>> everyone (Mac or PC has Office-word or. And with word you can only have
>> one copy of office on any one computer (Desktop/Laptop). Adobe Reader is
>> is free and as many copies for each computer can be downloaded and
>> installed as is necessary.
>>
>> But it sole purpose is viewing or printing from viewed documents or fill
>> out forms. Even Adobe people say Acrobat is not a text Editor. You
>> supposed fix all the spelling errors. and do all the formatting in your
>> word processor then create the PDF as the end product.
>>
>> Now if MS could come up with a Plugin or extension for Web Browsers
>> where they could read Word or Excel documents directly and be able to
>> edit and change them. Acrobat wouldn't be around.
>>
>
> But they have!
>
> You can read and edit Word, Excel, PowerPoint and soon OneNote documents
> for free on line in your web browser right now. In a move of blazing
> stupidity, Microsoft did not put this service under the Microsoft
> domain. Instead, they put it under the Live domain so no one would find
> it or know that it's a version of Microsoft Office. Instead of calling
> it Microsoft Office something-or-other they called it Skydrive, but it
> should have been called Office Skydrive or something like that instead,
> so it's not surprising you haven't heard about it.
>
> There's nothing to install. You use the Skydrive version of Microsoft
> Office from any computer - Mac, PC, or even LINUX - in your FireFox,
> Safari or IE web browser (PC only). Your Office files are accessible
> from any computer with an internet connection, and you can print&  save
> them locally, too. This link gives instructions on how to get SkyDrive.
> Then you can brag to your friends that you are doing "cloud computing."
> You can even allow others to access your online documents.
> http://www.agentjim.com/MVP/PowerPoint/PowerPointForFree.html
>
> -Jim

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On Jan 27, 11:39=A0am, "Randy Singer (MacAttorney)"
<macattor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 21, 10:39=A0am, Eche...@officeformac.com wrote:
>
> > =A0I am trying to convert aPDFfile toWordfor Mac.
>
> There are a number of third party applications that can do this with
> varying degrees of success.
>
> The only *really effective* program that will do this (and the only
> program, period, that will work if thePDFis of a graphic image of a
> text page) is:
>
> OmniPage Pro/Macintosh (srp $500)http://WWW.NUANCE.COM/imaging/omnipage/o=
mnipage-macintosh.asp
>
> OmniPage Pro is expensive, but here is a place to get it direct for
> only $99:
>
> <http://shop.nuance.com/store/nuanceus/pd/productID.111905000/OfferID.
> 1177248709?
> ClickID=3Dce7qv4axzwpsnkls7aqixllkxsqzaxxvikq&resid=3DlngSwwoBAkgAAE0or50=
AAAAV&=ADrests=3D1249365496052>
>
> or
>
> http://is.gd/21Hwx
>
> It is the only product that can recognize complex formatting in aPDF
> and preserve it. =A0Also, being an OCR program, it can turn a graphic
> image back into text (and still preserve the formatting).
>
> There are other products that will convert aPDFintoWord's".doc"
> format, but they will all be somewhat less effective.
>
> PDF2Office (Personal/Pro $59/$129)http://www.recosoft.com/company/press/n=
ews12052003.htmhttp://www.recosoft.com/products/pdf2office/index.htm
>
> TextLightning $35http://www.metaobject.com/Products/
>
> DeskunPDF =A0$70http://www.docudesk.com/deskUNPDF-PDF-Converter-for-mac.s=
html
>
> PDF2RTF service (free)http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware=
/services.html
>
> FreePDFconverters online a:thttp://www.freepdfconvert.comhttp://www.pdfto=
word.com
>
> ___________________________________________
> Randy B. Singer
> Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
>
> Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenancehttp://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
> ___________________________________________

Here I will introduce another free PDF to Word Converter, which is
free in Feb,2010. The program cost $29.95 before. I have got one and
the converison quality is superb. It supports bacth,partial adn
encrypted PDF conversion.
http://www.anypdftools.com/pdf-to-word.html#201

{Sigh...}  More Spam.  And this guy is REALLY brain-dead....

" Operating Systems
 OS: Windows 2003/XP/Vista/7 32bit"

Idiot!



On 22/02/10 1:32 AM, in article
a12257f0-9b76-4f66-a0d1-326f85b08b59@f8g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, "David
Smith" <wsphoneix03@gmail.com> wrote:


> Here I will introduce another free PDF to Word Converter,

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