I am having rather severe problems where my IE8 isnt refreshing web pages, no 
matter whether I try and manually refresh.  Even if I clean out temporary 
internet files and set to always download a new page it is not refreshing 
certain web sites.  I am running this on Windows Server 2008 R2.  I think I 
should try and reinstall it, but theres no way to do that on this operating 
system.  

IE Tools | Internet Options | General | Browsing history | Settings | Check 
for newer versions of stored webpages: Is "Every time I visit the webpage" 
selected?

Neal Stoughton wrote:
> I am having rather severe problems where my IE8 isnt refreshing web pages,
> no matter whether I try and manually refresh.  Even if I clean out 
> temporary
> internet files and set to always download a new page it is not refreshing
> certain web sites.  I am running this on Windows Server 2008 R2.  I think 
> I
> should try and reinstall it, but theres no way to do that on this 
> operating
> system. 

Sorry to butt in on this thread but which of the options is the most 
effective?

Every time I visit the webpage
Every time I start Internet Explorer
Automatically

On the face of it "Automatically" would cover all bases, so what is the 
difference/advantage of selecting "Every time I visit the webpage"?

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:eOOxPlycKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> IE Tools | Internet Options | General | Browsing history | Settings | 
> Check for newer versions of stored webpages: Is "Every time I visit the 
> webpage" selected?
>
> Neal Stoughton wrote:
>> I am having rather severe problems where my IE8 isnt refreshing web 
>> pages,
>> no matter whether I try and manually refresh.  Even if I clean out 
>> temporary
>> internet files and set to always download a new page it is not refreshing
>> certain web sites.  I am running this on Windows Server 2008 R2.  I think 
>> I
>> should try and reinstall it, but theres no way to do that on this 
>> operating
>> system.
>

 

Found this:

"How Internet Explorer cache settings affect your web browsing
The more files you can load from your hard disk, the faster your browsing 
speed but these pages might have changed since being stored on your 
computer. Internet Explorer provides an easy way to set how often you want 
Internet Explorer checks for updated content."

"Update cache settings in Internet Explorer
Every visit to the page
When you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet Explorer should 
check to see whether the page changed since you last viewed it. If the page 
has changed, Internet Explorer displays the new page and stores it in the 
Temporary Internet Files. Note: selecting this option can slow down web 
browsing.
Every time you start Internet Explorer
When you view a web page that you have visited before in the same Internet 
Explorer session, Internet Explorer uses cached temporary Internet files 
instead of downloading the page.
Automatically
If you select this setting, Internet Explorer checks for new content only 
when you return to a page that you viewed in an earlier session of Internet 
Explorer or on an earlier day. Over time, if Internet Explorer determines 
that images on the page are changing infrequently, it checks for newer 
images even less frequently."

It would seem that the first option is the only one that makes sure you have 
the latest page, albeit that it may slow down browsing slightly.


"Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:#TqLhEzcKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Sorry to butt in on this thread but which of the options is the most 
> effective?
>
> Every time I visit the webpage
> Every time I start Internet Explorer
> Automatically
>
> On the face of it "Automatically" would cover all bases, so what is the 
> difference/advantage of selecting "Every time I visit the webpage"?
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:eOOxPlycKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> IE Tools | Internet Options | General | Browsing history | Settings | 
>> Check for newer versions of stored webpages: Is "Every time I visit the 
>> webpage" selected?
>>
>> Neal Stoughton wrote:
>>> I am having rather severe problems where my IE8 isnt refreshing web 
>>> pages,
>>> no matter whether I try and manually refresh.  Even if I clean out 
>>> temporary
>>> internet files and set to always download a new page it is not 
>>> refreshing
>>> certain web sites.  I am running this on Windows Server 2008 R2.  I 
>>> think I
>>> should try and reinstall it, but theres no way to do that on this 
>>> operating
>>> system.
>>
>
>
>

 

"Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:%23TqLhEzcKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Sorry to butt in on this thread but which of the options is the most 
> effective?
>
> Every time I visit the webpage
> Every time I start Internet Explorer
> Automatically
>
> On the face of it "Automatically" would cover all bases, so what is the 
> difference/advantage of selecting "Every time I visit the webpage"?


Every Visit forces a refresh no matter what.

Every Start only looks upon Start up, and Automatically allows some decision 
making on the part of IE. Every Visit is a bit slower because you have to 
wait for the new page instead of loading a cached page that you already have 
stored locally.

"Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:OR%23hgZzcKHA.1596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Found this:
>
> "How Internet Explorer cache settings affect your web browsing
> The more files you can load from your hard disk, the faster your browsing 
> speed but these pages might have changed since being stored on your 
> computer. Internet Explorer provides an easy way to set how often you want 
> Internet Explorer checks for updated content."
>
> "Update cache settings in Internet Explorer
> Every visit to the page
> When you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet Explorer should 
> check to see whether the page changed since you last viewed it. If the 
> page has changed, Internet Explorer displays the new page and stores it in 
> the Temporary Internet Files. Note: selecting this option can slow down 
> web browsing.
> Every time you start Internet Explorer
> When you view a web page that you have visited before in the same Internet 
> Explorer session, Internet Explorer uses cached temporary Internet files 
> instead of downloading the page.
> Automatically
> If you select this setting, Internet Explorer checks for new content only 
> when you return to a page that you viewed in an earlier session of 
> Internet Explorer or on an earlier day. Over time, if Internet Explorer 
> determines that images on the page are changing infrequently, it checks 
> for newer images even less frequently."
>
> It would seem that the first option is the only one that makes sure you 
> have the latest page, albeit that it may slow down browsing slightly.
>


Exactly.

"Neal Stoughton" <NealStoughton@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message 
news:8F469734-D883-4E40-8D44-BDE1D6876AA4@microsoft.com...
>I am having rather severe problems where my IE8 isnt refreshing web pages, 
>no
> matter whether I try and manually refresh.  Even if I clean out temporary
> internet files and set to always download a new page it is not refreshing
> certain web sites.  I am running this on Windows Server 2008 R2.  I think 
> I
> should try and reinstall it, but theres no way to do that on this 
> operating
> system.


How do you know that IE8 is not refreshing, or that the page itself is 
static?

If the page has not changed (it is static) then your attempts to refresh are 
not going to give a different experience than you are already getting, so 
you would not know that the refresh failed. Refreshing a static page by 
definition would not change the page.

If you know beyond any doubt that the page you are refreshing is changing 
(dynamic) between refreshes, then the refreshed data is not coming to you, 
this would indicate a problem with the site failing to send the new page, 
not with IE failing to display it.

Your problem is not IE, it's the page you are trying to view. Visit your 
favorite search site, Yahoo, Google News, MSN, and so on. If the home page 
of these sites has a timestamp, then you can wait a minute or two and hit 
F5, and see if th etime stamp changes, or if you nave selected the Every 
Visit option (TOOLS>OPTIONS>GENERAL TAB, BROWSING HISTORY SETTINGS), then 
you can navigate to anothe rpage within the same instance of IE and in the 
same tab, then come back and see if the timestamp is changed.

If you load a page with a timestamp, then open a new page in a different tab 
and navigate somewhere, then return to the previous tab, that original page 
will be displayed WITHOUT refreshing. You have to move away from a page in 
the same tab and then come back to it for the refresh to take place. Moving 
from tab to tab, then back again does not invoke a new loading of the page, 
so there is no refresh.

That's a fairly outdated, late 20th Century, dial-up era reference. 
(Remember "Internet Accelerators"?)  Back then, it was advisable to set your 
TIF cache (AKA "disk space to use") on the high-end to speed up browsing. 
Those with broadband connections will find a cache setting between 50MB and 
100MB more than sufficient and choosing the "Every time I visit the page" 
setting ideal.

BTW, the source of that quote has its own agenda: 
http://www.clear-cache-cleaner.com/.  You do NOT need any sort of "cache 
cleaner."


Smirnoff wrote:
> Found this:
>
> "How Internet Explorer cache settings affect your web browsing
> The more files you can load from your hard disk, the faster your browsing
> speed but these pages might have changed since being stored on your
> computer. Internet Explorer provides an easy way to set how often you want
> Internet Explorer checks for updated content."
>
> "Update cache settings in Internet Explorer
> Every visit to the page
> When you return to a page you viewed previously, Internet Explorer should
> check to see whether the page changed since you last viewed it. If the 
> page
> has changed, Internet Explorer displays the new page and stores it in the
> Temporary Internet Files. Note: selecting this option can slow down web
> browsing.
> Every time you start Internet Explorer
> When you view a web page that you have visited before in the same Internet
> Explorer session, Internet Explorer uses cached temporary Internet files
> instead of downloading the page.
> Automatically
> If you select this setting, Internet Explorer checks for new content only
> when you return to a page that you viewed in an earlier session of 
> Internet
> Explorer or on an earlier day. Over time, if Internet Explorer determines
> that images on the page are changing infrequently, it checks for newer
> images even less frequently."
>
> It would seem that the first option is the only one that makes sure you 
> have
> the latest page, albeit that it may slow down browsing slightly.
>
>
> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:#TqLhEzcKHA.1648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Sorry to butt in on this thread but which of the options is the most
>> effective?
>>
>> Every time I visit the webpage
>> Every time I start Internet Explorer
>> Automatically
>>
>> On the face of it "Automatically" would cover all bases, so what is the
>> difference/advantage of selecting "Every time I visit the webpage"?
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eOOxPlycKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> IE Tools | Internet Options | General | Browsing history | Settings |
>>> Check for newer versions of stored webpages: Is "Every time I visit the
>>> webpage" selected?
>>>
>>> Neal Stoughton wrote:
>>>> I am having rather severe problems where my IE8 isnt refreshing web
>>>> pages,
>>>> no matter whether I try and manually refresh.  Even if I clean out
>>>> temporary
>>>> internet files and set to always download a new page it is not
>>>> refreshing
>>>> certain web sites.  I am running this on Windows Server 2008 R2.  I
>>>> think I
>>>> should try and reinstall it, but theres no way to do that on this
>>>> operating
>>>> system. 

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:hf64so$f8f$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> Every Visit forces a refresh no matter what.


Wrong (in general).   Use Fiddler2 to see that.  All any of those options do
is cache-checking using their respective frequency.   Only if a cached-item
is stale will it need to be refreshed.   Cache-checking is such a low bandwidth
action that it makes little sense not to use Every Visit (at least with a high-speed
connection as PA Bear indicated).


>
> Every Start only looks upon Start up, and Automatically allows some decision
> making on the part of IE. Every Visit is a bit slower because you have to
> wait for the new page instead of loading a cached page that you already have
> stored locally.


That's (sort of) true (e.g. there is network delay waiting for the confirmations)
but the tradeoff is in usability that otherwise forces the user to press F5
(at least) if there is uncertainty about the currency of page's contents,
which then does a forced cache-check on every item associated with
the page anyway.


FYI

Robert Aldwinckle
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"Robert Aldwinckle" <robald@techemail.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
> news:hf64so$f8f$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> Every Visit forces a refresh no matter what.
>
>
> Wrong (in general).   Use Fiddler2 to see that.  All any of those options 
> do
> is cache-checking using their respective frequency.   Only if a 
> cached-item
> is stale will it need to be refreshed.   Cache-checking is such a low 
> bandwidth
> action that it makes little sense not to use Every Visit (at least with a 
> high-speed
> connection as PA Bear indicated).
>

If the page is static, you would not know if it was fresh or cached because 
by definition it's still the same as the last time you were there. If the 
page is dynamic, then the return will be updated on every visit.

The report by the OP is that the pages are not updating, but if the page was 
static there would be no way to tell, and no reason to think it was not 
fresh because since it didn't change it would be as fresh now as it was an 
hour ago, and the OP would not have reported a "problem". He would not know 
or care that the page was loaded from Cache.

If the page is changing -- it's dynamic -- then the OP would see that the 
new page was not being displayed, but instead was being loaded from Cache 
instead of being refreshed. If he changes the setting to load the page on 
Every Visit, he'll get the latest information whether its a fresh load or 
one from cache. His problem is solved and whether the page is the same and 
comes from cache, or the page is new and fresh is of no consequence.

The distinction you are pointing out is one that is of no importance in the 
context of the discussion.

If the question involved a QoS issue, then we would be approaching the point 
where the distinction is important.